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Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by loeg »

lm28469 wrote: post #9
tl2do wrote: post #5

I have similar and deep privacy concerns. But I also know that cameras have helped find criminals and assist crime victims. I don't want to let fugitives go without punishment. In fact, I must admit that cameras are a realistic choice given the current technology. Flock Safety must be under public evaluation. Tech companies tend to hide technical specs, calling them trade secrets. But most internet security standards…

The cameras aren't the problem, it's the companies behind them. Everybody wants murderers and rapists in jail, nobody wants to 24/7 share their location and upload their every thoughts to palantir and other companies operated by degenerates like Thiel

A significant number of people do not seem to want copper thieves, porch pirates, and organized retail thieves in jail.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by redwall_hp »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #50
stavros wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oof, I really hate this automated enforcement. Might be time to get a paintball gun.

What else could make life safer at a realistic cost for people outside of vehicles?

Urban planning that separates pedestrians and vehicles.

Roads that are narrow in places where a lower speed is desirable.

Heavy taxation on vehicles with more mass and lower visibility.

Actual licensing standards other than driving down a couple of city streets and parking.

More crossings, with lights or bridges, instead of long four-lane arterial roads with nowhere to safely cross.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by staringforward »

stavros wrote: post #47
bigiain wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where I am (Sydney Australia) we have fixed speed cameras that automatically create speeding fines to drivers going too fast (well, technically the registered owner of the vehicle via ANPR). They eventually had to equip pretty much every speed camera with a speed camera camera, usually on a much higher pole to make vandalism more difficult.

Oof, I really hate this automated enforcement. Might be time to get a paintball gun.

> Might be time to get a paintball gun

Just wait until you find out that paintball guns are considered firearms are require licensing in the aforementioned region.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by reactordev »

idle_zealot wrote: post #14
mullingitover wrote: post #11

I'm surprised the flock cameras aren't being disabled in a more subtle fashion. All it takes is a tiny drone with a stick attached, and at the end of that stick is a tiny sponge soaked with tempera paint. Drone goes 'boop' on the camera lens, and the entire system is disabled until an expensive technician drives out with a ladder and cleans the lens at non-trivial expense. A handful of enterprising activists could bl…

The goal here by activists isn't to directly physically disarm every camera. Like with any act of protest, it's at least as much about the optics and influence of public opinion. Visibly destroying the units is more cathartic and spreads the message of displeasure better. Ultimately what needs to change is public perception and policy.

That poor printer in Office Space…

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by thrance »

monero-xmr wrote: post #59
odie5533 wrote: post #57

Flock cameras are assisted suicide for dying neighborhoods. They don't prevent crime, they record crime. Cleaning up vacant lots, planting trees, street lighting, trash removal, and traffic calming like adding planters and crosswalks reduce crime.

The vast majority of crimes are committed by a small percentage of people. The real issue is prosecutors who refuse to incarcerate repeat offenders. But having video evidence is a powerful tool for a motivated prosecutor to actually take criminals off the streets

Any evidence of what you're saying about prosecutors and video surveillance?

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by FpUser »

monero-xmr wrote: post #59
odie5533 wrote: post #57

Flock cameras are assisted suicide for dying neighborhoods. They don't prevent crime, they record crime. Cleaning up vacant lots, planting trees, street lighting, trash removal, and traffic calming like adding planters and crosswalks reduce crime.

The vast majority of crimes are committed by a small percentage of people. The real issue is prosecutors who refuse to incarcerate repeat offenders. But having video evidence is a powerful tool for a motivated prosecutor to actually take criminals off the streets

>"The real issue is prosecutors who refuse to incarcerate repeat offenders"

Sure. US prosecutors are so lenient that the US is the capital of incarceration

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

mullingitover wrote: post #11

I'm surprised the flock cameras aren't being disabled in a more subtle fashion. All it takes is a tiny drone with a stick attached, and at the end of that stick is a tiny sponge soaked with tempera paint. Drone goes 'boop' on the camera lens, and the entire system is disabled until an expensive technician drives out with a ladder and cleans the lens at non-trivial expense. A handful of enterprising activists could bl…

> All it takes is a tiny drone with a stick attached, and at the end of that stick is a tiny sponge soaked with tempera paint

I (EDIT: hate) Flock Safety cameras. If someone did this in my town, I’d want them arrested.

They’re muddying the moral clarity of the anti-Flock messaging, the ultimate goal in any protest. And if they’re willing to damage that property, I’m not convinced they understand why they shouldn’t damage other property. (More confidently, I’m not convinced others believe they can tell the difference.)

Flock Safety messages on security. Undermining that pitch is helpful. Underwriting it with random acts of performative chaos plays into their appeal.

> flock is very vulnerable to this very simple attack

We live in a free society, i.e. one with significant individual autonomy. We’re all always very vulnerable. That’s the social contract. (The fact that folks actually contemplating violent attacks tend to be idiots helps, too.)

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by bpodgursky »

FpUser wrote: post #66
monero-xmr wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vast majority of crimes are committed by a small percentage of people. The real issue is prosecutors who refuse to incarcerate repeat offenders. But having video evidence is a powerful tool for a motivated prosecutor to actually take criminals off the streets

>"The real issue is prosecutors who refuse to incarcerate repeat offenders" Sure. US prosecutors are so lenient that the US is the capital of incarceration

This is literally true and you think you are being snarky but just look ignorant.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by encrypted_bird »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #67
mullingitover wrote: post #11

I'm surprised the flock cameras aren't being disabled in a more subtle fashion. All it takes is a tiny drone with a stick attached, and at the end of that stick is a tiny sponge soaked with tempera paint. Drone goes 'boop' on the camera lens, and the entire system is disabled until an expensive technician drives out with a ladder and cleans the lens at non-trivial expense. A handful of enterprising activists could bl…

> All it takes is a tiny drone with a stick attached, and at the end of that stick is a tiny sponge soaked with tempera paint I (EDIT: hate) Flock Safety cameras. If someone did this in my town, I’d want them arrested. They’re muddying the moral clarity of the anti-Flock messaging, the ultimate goal in any protest. And if they’re willing to damage that property, I’m not convinced they understand why they shouldn’t da…

> I haste Flock Safety cameras.

Was this a typo? If not, what does "haste" mean in this context? (I'm not messing with you; I'm genuinely wondering.)

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by FpUser »

bpodgursky wrote: post #68
FpUser wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"The real issue is prosecutors who refuse to incarcerate repeat offenders" Sure. US prosecutors are so lenient that the US is the capital of incarceration

This is literally true and you think you are being snarky but just look ignorant.

Ignorant of what may I ask? Also I do not "think".
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