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Exercise has 'similar effect' to therapy, study on depression shows

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Re: Exercise has 'similar effect' to therapy, study on depression shows

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The problem is that depression by definition makes it 100x harder to do any of those things.

Well yeah, but you gotta start somewhere, and it's not gonna get better if you drink cola, beer everyday and stay up until 2AM watching netflix.

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Re: Exercise has 'similar effect' to therapy, study on depression shows

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How to solve most cases of depression, make sure to get all these (if you can): - good diet with no junk food, alcohol, drugs and stimulants - regular exercise and outdoor time - good sleep hygiene - regular healthy social interactions - eliminate environmental stressors (job/financial stress, relationship stress, noise pollution, etc) Of course, not everyone can have everything and some of those aren't 100% under yo…

I can't remember where I read it, but it always stuck with me: most cases of depression can be solved with a one-time deposit of $20 million in the patient's bank account. A lot of the time, what is diagnosed as depression is actually a very valid reaction to being in a shitty situation. I myself ended up at a psychiatrist due to being stuck in a shitty job with me being too exhausted and anxious to do anything about…

>most cases of depression can be solved with a one-time deposit of $20 million in the patient's bank account.

Yes, but actually not always. If you have someone overweight because they're only eating pizza, cheetos and cola everyday and you use a magic wand to give them Thor's physique, how long will their new physique last with their diet until they devolve back into a slug monster?

Money tends to run out, very quickly for some people. If you aren't able to keep your life in order when you're poor, you'll probably squander it all quickly too if you win the lottery. Like a friend of mine said "Thank God nobody gave me a million dollars when I was a drug addict, I would have OD's in a day".

People with self destructive tendencies don't need 20 million dollars, they need therapy, a stable job, and a loving caring community, something that fewer people have nowadays.

Re: Exercise has 'similar effect' to therapy, study on depression shows

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How to solve most cases of depression, make sure to get all these (if you can): - good diet with no junk food, alcohol, drugs and stimulants - regular exercise and outdoor time - good sleep hygiene - regular healthy social interactions - eliminate environmental stressors (job/financial stress, relationship stress, noise pollution, etc) Of course, not everyone can have everything and some of those aren't 100% under yo…

You just described causes of depression, like divorce, social isolation and being unemployed. I know there are people that can feel free in a place as horrible as a concentration camp, but most of us have some basic needs that have to be met to feel OK and have some hope.

Some people have actual neurotransmitter imbalances, but many of us just have monkey brains that don't know how to deal with (real, abstract) modern-day stressors that trigger a fight-or-flight response.

Re: Exercise has 'similar effect' to therapy, study on depression shows

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How to solve most cases of depression, make sure to get all these (if you can): - good diet with no junk food, alcohol, drugs and stimulants - regular exercise and outdoor time - good sleep hygiene - regular healthy social interactions - eliminate environmental stressors (job/financial stress, relationship stress, noise pollution, etc) Of course, not everyone can have everything and some of those aren't 100% under yo…

> good diet with no junk food, alcohol, drugs and stimulants How does one get rid of the excitement of the expectation of eating chips or drinking cola etc?

It sounds like you're saying that low will power leads to depression.

Re: Exercise has 'similar effect' to therapy, study on depression shows

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How to solve most cases of depression, make sure to get all these (if you can): - good diet with no junk food, alcohol, drugs and stimulants - regular exercise and outdoor time - good sleep hygiene - regular healthy social interactions - eliminate environmental stressors (job/financial stress, relationship stress, noise pollution, etc) Of course, not everyone can have everything and some of those aren't 100% under yo…

> good diet with no junk food, alcohol, drugs and stimulants How does one get rid of the excitement of the expectation of eating chips or drinking cola etc?

You replace the thing you want to quit with a better thing.

Try tea and seltzers, not because they’re healthy but because they’re interesting. There’s an infinite range of teas.

And learning to cook changed my life. I get annoyed with almost all delivery now because I can do better.

Re: Exercise has 'similar effect' to therapy, study on depression shows

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lets get concrete with "Exercise": what is one unit of exercise? like exactly what type of movement, at what intensity and duration should be performed how frequently to be as effective as therapy? like should i run every day at 160bmp for 20 minutes? whats the minimum effective dose?

Re: Exercise has 'similar effect' to therapy, study on depression shows

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How to solve most cases of depression, make sure to get all these (if you can): - good diet with no junk food, alcohol, drugs and stimulants - regular exercise and outdoor time - good sleep hygiene - regular healthy social interactions - eliminate environmental stressors (job/financial stress, relationship stress, noise pollution, etc) Of course, not everyone can have everything and some of those aren't 100% under yo…

I think this is true, but oof that's a heavy list. For one thing, food, alcohol, drugs, and stimulants, all have addictive properties that are almost certainly comorbid with depression. Dropping those is rough. Exercise is perhaps one of the easier ones but, personally, I've found it incredible to reflect on how absolutely bad my childhood "gym" classes were. At no point did we actually... go to a gym. That was never…

> "wow, being depressed seems really fucking hard if you have to do these things to get out of it".

Yeah IT IS hard, I didn't say it's easy, I just said what you need to not be depressed. Whether everyone can get all those is another issue.

The thing is that in the case when you don't have all of these, adding unhealthy habits on top, doesn't make your situation better.

Re: Exercise has 'similar effect' to therapy, study on depression shows

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lets get concrete with "Exercise": what is one unit of exercise? like exactly what type of movement, at what intensity and duration should be performed how frequently to be as effective as therapy? like should i run every day at 160bmp for 20 minutes? whats the minimum effective dose?

There are no units of exercise and no units of depression either.

In my opinion the best measure of exercise is perceived effort. So while you're asking for objective answers, I think a lot of this is inherently subjective.

The benchmark you're asking for is also ill-defined. For example: How frequently to be as effective as what type and what frequency of therapy?

Re: Exercise has 'similar effect' to therapy, study on depression shows

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is true, but oof that's a heavy list. For one thing, food, alcohol, drugs, and stimulants, all have addictive properties that are almost certainly comorbid with depression. Dropping those is rough. Exercise is perhaps one of the easier ones but, personally, I've found it incredible to reflect on how absolutely bad my childhood "gym" classes were. At no point did we actually... go to a gym. That was never…

> "wow, being depressed seems really fucking hard if you have to do these things to get out of it". Yeah IT IS hard, I didn't say it's easy, I just said what you need to not be depressed. Whether everyone can get all those is another issue. The thing is that in the case when you don't have all of these, adding unhealthy habits on top, doesn't make your situation better.

Yes, sorry, I think other posts are quite critical of yours so maybe you think this was me trying to be like "your post is bad". I think you're right (though I think that medication and therapy are often critical to help kickstart healthier habits, and it's worth noting how heavy a lift those things are), but it is just notable to me how hard those things are. I am not depressed, thankfully, because if I had to rebuild a social life or go to the gym to fix myself I'd be fucked.

Re: Exercise has 'similar effect' to therapy, study on depression shows

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How to solve most cases of depression, make sure to get all these (if you can): - good diet with no junk food, alcohol, drugs and stimulants - regular exercise and outdoor time - good sleep hygiene - regular healthy social interactions - eliminate environmental stressors (job/financial stress, relationship stress, noise pollution, etc) Of course, not everyone can have everything and some of those aren't 100% under yo…

This is exactly the kind of list that is both not true (solving depression is not a checklist) and COMPLETELY unhelpful to anyone actually dealing with depression. It's like saying "just make more money" to someone with financial struggles.
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