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Re: The path to ubiquitous AI (17k tokens/sec)

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Holy cow their chatapp demo!!! I for first time thought i mistakenly pasted the answer. It was literally in a blink of an eye.!! https://chatjimmy.ai/

I dunno, it pretty quickly got stuck; the "attach file" didn't seem to work, and when I asked "can you see the attachment" it replied to my first message rather than my question.

Re: The path to ubiquitous AI (17k tokens/sec)

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This is not a general purpose chip but specialized for high speed, low latency inference with small context. But it is potentially a lot cheaper than Nvidia for those purposes. Tech summary: - 15k tok/sec on 8B dense 3bit quant (llama 3.1) - limited KV cache - 880mm^2 die, TSMC 6nm, 53B transistors - presumably 200W per chip - 20x cheaper to produce - 10x less energy per token for inference - max context size: flexib…

In 20$ a die, they could sell Gameboy style cartridges for different models.

Re: The path to ubiquitous AI (17k tokens/sec)

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Where are those numbers from? It's not immediately clear to me that you can distribute one model across chips with this design. > Model is etched onto the silicon chip. So can’t change anything about the model after the chip has been designed and manufactured. Subtle detail here: the fastest turnaround that one could reasonably expect on that process is about six months. This might eventually be useful, but at the mo…

> The first generation HC1 chip is implemented in the 6 nanometer N6 process from TSMC. Each HC1 chip has 53 billion transistors on the package, most of it very likely for ROM and SRAM memory. The HC1 card burns about 200 watts, says Bajic, and a two-socket X86 server with ten HC1 cards in it runs 2,500 watts. https://www.nextplatform.com/2026/02/19/taalas-etches-ai-mod...

And what of that makes you assume that having a server with 10 HC1 cards is needed to run a single model version on that server?

Re: The path to ubiquitous AI (17k tokens/sec)

#125
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You have a misunderstanding of what LLMs are good at.

Care to enlighten me?

Don't ask a small LLM about precise minutiae factual information.

Alternatively, ask yourself how plausible it sounds that all the facts in the world could be compressed into 8k parameters while remaining intact and fine-grained. If your answer is that it sounds pretty impossible... well it is.

Re: The path to ubiquitous AI (17k tokens/sec)

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post #21

This is not a general purpose chip but specialized for high speed, low latency inference with small context. But it is potentially a lot cheaper than Nvidia for those purposes. Tech summary: - 15k tok/sec on 8B dense 3bit quant (llama 3.1) - limited KV cache - 880mm^2 die, TSMC 6nm, 53B transistors - presumably 200W per chip - 20x cheaper to produce - 10x less energy per token for inference - max context size: flexib…

This math is useful. Lots of folks scoffing in the comments below. I have a couple reactions, after chatting with it: 1) 16k tokens / second is really stunningly fast. There’s an old saying about any factor of 10 being a new science / new product category, etc. This is a new product category in my mind, or it could be. It would be incredibly useful for voice agent applications, realtime loops, realtime video generati…

For speculative decoding, wouldn’t this be of limited use for frontier models that don’t have the same tokenizer as Llama 3.1? Or would it be so good that retokenization/bridging would be worth it?

Re: The path to ubiquitous AI (17k tokens/sec)

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post #112

A lot of naysayers in the comments, but there are so many uses for non-frontier models. The proof of this is in the openrouter activity graph for llama 3.1: https://openrouter.ai/meta-llama/llama-3.1-8b-instruct/activ... 10b daily tokens growing at an average of 22% every week . There are plenty of times I look to groq for narrow domain responses - these smaller models are fantastic for that and there's often no need…

Exactly. One easily relatable use-case is structured content extraction or/and conversion to markdown for web page data. I used to use groq for same (gpt-oss20b model), but even that used to feel slow when doing theis task at scale.

LLM's have opened-up natural language interface to machines. This chip makes it realtime. And that opens a lot of use-cases.

Re: The path to ubiquitous AI (17k tokens/sec)

#129

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Poverty of imagination here, plenty uses of this and its a prototype at this stage.

What uses, exactly? The prototype is: silicon with a Llama 3.1 8B etched into it. Today's 4B models already outperform it. Token rate in five digits is a major technical flex, but, does anyone really need to run a very dumb model at this speed? The only things that come to mind that could reap a benefit are: asymmetric exotics like VLA action policies and voice stages for V2V models. Both of which are "small fast low…

Even if this first generation is not useful, the learning and architecture decisions in this generation will be. You really can't think of any value to having a chip which can run LLMs at high speed and locally for 1/10 of the energy budget and (presumably) significantly lower cost than a GPU?

If you look at any development in computing, ASICs are the next step. It seems almost inevitable. Yes, it will always trail behind state of the art. But value will come quickly in a few generations.

Re: The path to ubiquitous AI (17k tokens/sec)

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Were we go towards really smart roboters. It is interesting what kind of diferent model chips they can produce.

There is nothing smart about current LLMs. They just regurgitate text compressed in their memory based on probability. None of the LLMs currently have actual understanding of what you ask them to do and what they respond with.

Just HI slop. Ask any decent model, it can explain what's wrong this this description.
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