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AI is not a coworker, it's an exoskeleton

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Re: AI is not a coworker, it's an exoskeleton

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Post by polotics »

m_ke wrote: post #4

It's the new underpaid employee that you're training to replace you. People need to understand that we have the technology to train models to do anything that you can do on a computer, only thing that's missing is the data. If you can record a human doing anything on a computer, we'll soon have a way to automate it

How much practice have you got on software development with agentic assistance. Which rough edges, surprising failure modes, unexpected strengths and weaknesses, have you already identified?

How much do you wish someone else had done your favorite SOTA LLM's RLHF?

Re: AI is not a coworker, it's an exoskeleton

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Post by dwohnitmok »

cesarvarela wrote: post #9
m_ke wrote: post #4

It's the new underpaid employee that you're training to replace you. People need to understand that we have the technology to train models to do anything that you can do on a computer, only thing that's missing is the data. If you can record a human doing anything on a computer, we'll soon have a way to automate it

LLMs have a large quantity of chess data and still can't play for shit.

Not anymore. This benchmark is for LLM chess ability: https://github.com/lightnesscaster/Chess-LLM-Benchmark?tab=r.... LLMs are graded according to FIDE rules so e.g. two illegal moves in a game leads to an immediate loss.

This benchmark doesn't have the latest models from the last two months, but Gemini 3 (with no tools) is already at 1750 - 1800 FIDE, which is approximately probably around 1900 - 2000 USCF (about USCF expert level). This is enough to beat almost everyone at your local chess club.

Re: AI is not a coworker, it's an exoskeleton

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Post by lukev »

Frankly I'm tired of metaphor-based attempts to explain LLMs.

Stochastic Parrots. Interns. Junior Devs. Thought partners. Bicycles for the mind. Spicy autocomplete. A blurry jpeg of the web. Calculators but for words. Copilot. The term "artificial intelligence" itself.

These may correspond to a greater or lesser degree with what LLMs are capable of, but if we stick to metaphors as our primary tool for reasoning about these machines, we're hamstringing ourselves and making it impossible to reason about the frontier of capabilities, or resolve disagreements about them.

A understanding-without-metaphors isn't easy -- it requires a grasp of math, computer science, linguistics and philosophy.

But if we're going to move forward instead of just finding slightly more useful tropes, we have to do it. Or at least to try.

Re: AI is not a coworker, it's an exoskeleton

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Post by xlerb »

Humans don’t have an internal notion of “fact” or “truth.” They generate statistically plausible text.

Reliability comes from scaffolding: retrieval, tools, validation layers. Without that, fluency can masquerade as authority.

The interesting question isn’t whether they’re coworkers or exoskeletons. It’s whether we’re mistaking rhetoric for epistemology.

Re: AI is not a coworker, it's an exoskeleton

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Post by Windchaser »

iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #17
cesarvarela wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLMs have a large quantity of chess data and still can't play for shit.

Hm.. but do they need it.. at this point, we do have custom tools that beat humans. In a sense, all LLM need is a way to connect to that tool ( and the same is true is for counting and many other aspects ).

Yeah, but you know that manually telling the LLM to operate other custom tools is not going to be a long-term solution. And if an LLM could design, create, and operate a separate model, and then return/translate its results to you, that would be huge, but it also seems far away.

But I'm ignorant here. Can anyone with a better background of SOTA ML tell me if this is being pursued, and if so, how far away it is? (And if not, what are the arguments against it, or what other approaches might deliver similar capacities?)

Re: AI is not a coworker, it's an exoskeleton

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Post by Windchaser »

WolfeReader wrote: post #3
delichon wrote: post #2

If we find an AI that is truly operating as an independent agent in the economy without a human responsible for it, we should kill it. I wonder if I'll live long enough to see an AI terminator profession emerge. We could call them blade runners.

It happened not too long ago! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46990729

Was it ever verified that this was an independent AI?

Re: AI is not a coworker, it's an exoskeleton

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Post by gf263 »

lukev wrote: post #23

Frankly I'm tired of metaphor-based attempts to explain LLMs. Stochastic Parrots. Interns. Junior Devs. Thought partners. Bicycles for the mind. Spicy autocomplete. A blurry jpeg of the web. Calculators but for words. Copilot. The term "artificial intelligence" itself. These may correspond to a greater or lesser degree with what LLMs are capable of, but if we stick to metaphors as our primary tool for reasoning about…

“The day you teach the child the name of the bird, the child will never see that bird again.”

Re: AI is not a coworker, it's an exoskeleton

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Post by xyzzy123 »

m_ke wrote: post #4

It's the new underpaid employee that you're training to replace you. People need to understand that we have the technology to train models to do anything that you can do on a computer, only thing that's missing is the data. If you can record a human doing anything on a computer, we'll soon have a way to automate it

Sure, but do you want abundance of software, or scarcity?

The price of having "star trek computers" is that people who work with computers have to adapt to the changes. Seems worth it?

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