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Some alternatives recently discussed: NewPipe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47020218 PipePipe: https://pipepipe.dev/ As recommended by https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47021252 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47020412 I haven’t used any of these alternatives myself.
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> So personally I've found what i consider to be a safe alternative. A bit more effort, but downloading the podcast and listening to it via a basic audio player app that does not further enshitify itself daily is even safer.
Yeah, how many podcasts are Youtube exclusive? I can't imagine there's that many, if any at all.
Some alternatives recently discussed: NewPipe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47020218 PipePipe: https://pipepipe.dev/ As recommended by https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47021252 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47020412 I haven’t used any of these alternatives myself.
[0]: https://grayjay.app/
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Would it be better if youtube removed the free, ad supported version entirely, and only allowed paid users?
It would be better if there was a better value proposition, instead of “pay to get what we removed”. It’s not as though free users listening with the app in the background is somehow an additional marginal expense as opposed to them listening with the app in the foreground.
For music videos there are different licensing terms for listening vs music videos. So if they don't appease the licenser than their contract will be less favourable.
And of course ads will pay less for people who aren't looking (although his is technically lost revenue, not an expense).
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> So personally I've found what i consider to be a safe alternative. A bit more effort, but downloading the podcast and listening to it via a basic audio player app that does not further enshitify itself daily is even safer.
Yeah, how many podcasts are Youtube exclusive? I can't imagine there's that many, if any at all.
Whether a given podcast is on a site it will download from is a different question.
Whenever I see this particular "feature" being blocked, all I can think of is my own past personal usage of this feature. It was purely to listen to podcasts or whatever while in the car. So by default this feature should just work, and it should be: turn on the source and listen. Instead its disabled to try to extract more revenue out of users, so my personal use case becomes a potential road hazard for people who d…
It seems crazy and impossible now, but imagine this notion: Software should serve the needs of the user. Software that does things the user doesn't want, like try to trick money out of him, waste his bandwidth, or fill his screen with unwanted ads used to have a name: Malware. We've redefined that term to mean when a non-BigTech firm does those things, but the definition used to be functional, not attributional. RMS…
Would it be better if youtube removed the free, ad supported version entirely, and only allowed paid users?
Vinegar extension still works on iOS. It restores the native HTML5 element to websites like YouTube that go out of their way to circumvent it or add listeners to pause it when focus leaves the page. Since it’s the native video element, it works with the native iOS picture-in-picture. It should frankly be illegal for Google to interfere with this like they try to do, but luckily this extension solves the problem.
This does work with the screen on. But at least for me Vinegar background audio while locked hasn’t worked for the past several weeks. Once you lock it no longer recognizes there’s any media to play.
Sometimes I get double audio; usually a refresh of the page fixes it.
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Would it be better if youtube removed the free, ad supported version entirely, and only allowed paid users?
It would be better if there was a better value proposition, instead of “pay to get what we removed”. It’s not as though free users listening with the app in the background is somehow an additional marginal expense as opposed to them listening with the app in the foreground.
It seems crazy and impossible now, but imagine this notion: Software should serve the needs of the user. Software that does things the user doesn't want, like try to trick money out of him, waste his bandwidth, or fill his screen with unwanted ads used to have a name: Malware. We've redefined that term to mean when a non-BigTech firm does those things, but the definition used to be functional, not attributional. RMS…