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Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by seizethecheese »

xrd wrote: post #306

These models are so powerful. It's totally possible to build entire software products in the fraction of the time it took before. But, reading the comments here, the behaviors from one version to another point version (not major version mind you) seem very divergent. It feels like we are now able to manage incredibly smart engineers for a month at the price of a good sushi dinner. But it also feels like you have to b…

> It feels like we are now able to manage incredibly smart engineers for a month at the price of a good sushi dinner.

In my experience it’s more like idiot savant engineers. Still remarkable.

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by upmind »

1024core wrote: post #260

It got the car wash question perfectly: You are definitely going to have to drive it there—unless you want to put it in neutral and push! While 200 feet is a very short and easy walk, if you walk over there without your car, you won't have anything to wash once you arrive. The car needs to make the trip with you so it can get the soap and water. Since it's basically right next door, it'll be the shortest drive of you…

The answer here is why I dislike Gemini, though it gets the correct answer, it's far too verbose.

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Post by embedding-shape »

quotemstr wrote: post #299
mullingitover wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's almost impossible to get Gemini to not do "helpful" drive-by-refactors Just asking "Explain what this service does?" turns into [No response for three minutes...] +729 -522

What. You don't have yours ask for edit approval?

Who has time for that? This is how I run codex: `codex --sandbox danger-full-access --dangerously-bypass-approvals-and-sandbox --search exec "$PROMPT"`, having to approve each change would effectively destroy the entire point of using an agent, at least for me.

Edit: obviously inside something so it doesn't have access to the rest of my system, but enough access to be useful.

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by hydrolox »

InkCanon wrote: post #79
dxbednarczyk wrote: post #53

Every time I've used Gemini models for anything besides code or agentic work they lean so far into the RLHF induced bold lettering and bullet point list barf that everything they output reads as if the model was talking _at_ me and not _with_ me. In my Openclaw experiment(s) and in the Gemini web UI, I've specifically added instructions to avoid this type of behavior, but it only seemed to obey those rules when I rem…

I think they all output that bold lettering, point by point style output. I strongly suspect it's part of a synthetic data pipeline all these AI companies have, and it improves performance. Claude seems to be the least of them, but it will start writing code at the drop of a hat. What annoys me in Gemini is that it has a really strange tendency to come up with weird analogies, especially in Pro mode. You'll be asking…

Yes, the analogy habit is the most annoying of all. Overall formatting for me is doable, if it didn't divide up an answer into these silly arbitrary categories with useless analogies. I've tried adding in my user preferences to never use analogies but it inevitably falls back into that habit.

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Post by embedding-shape »

steve1977 wrote: post #283
1024core wrote: post #260

It got the car wash question perfectly: You are definitely going to have to drive it there—unless you want to put it in neutral and push! While 200 feet is a very short and easy walk, if you walk over there without your car, you won't have anything to wash once you arrive. The car needs to make the trip with you so it can get the soap and water. Since it's basically right next door, it'll be the shortest drive of you…

The question of course is, did it get the car wash question right because it is "the car wash question" or because it could actually infer why the car needed to be there?

Wasn't that "twoot" (or whatever Mastodon calls them) made just a week ago? Unlikely to have been in the training dataset of a model becoming available for public use today, unless Google made some serious advancements on the training front.

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Post by pdimitar »

sciencejerk wrote: post #184
horsawlarway wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So much this. It's absolutely amazing how hostile Google is to releasing billing options that are reasonable, controllable, or even fucking understandable. I want to do relatively simple things like: 1. Buy shit from you 2. For a controllable amount (ex - let me pick a limit on costs) 3. Without spending literally HOURS trying to understand 17 different fucking products, all overlapping, with myriad project configs,…

You think AWS is better?

Who is comparing to AWS and why? They can both be terrible at the same time, you know.

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by veselin »

I am actually going to complain about this: that neither of the Gemini models are not preview ones.

Anthropic seems the best in this. Everything is in the API on day one. OpenAI tend to want to ask you for subscription, but the API gets there a week or a few later. Now, Gemini 3 is not for production use and this is already the previous iteration. So, does Google even intent to release this model?

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by jama211 »

xrd wrote: post #306

These models are so powerful. It's totally possible to build entire software products in the fraction of the time it took before. But, reading the comments here, the behaviors from one version to another point version (not major version mind you) seem very divergent. It feels like we are now able to manage incredibly smart engineers for a month at the price of a good sushi dinner. But it also feels like you have to b…

Yeah I keep maintaining a specific app I built with gpt 5.1 codex max with that exact model because it continues to work for the requests I send it, and attempts with other models even 5.2 or 5.3 codex seemed to have odd results. If I were superstitious I would say it’s almost like the model that wrote the code likes to work on the code better. Perhaps there’s something about the structure it created though that it finds easier to understand…

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by embedding-shape »

1024core wrote: post #260

It got the car wash question perfectly: You are definitely going to have to drive it there—unless you want to put it in neutral and push! While 200 feet is a very short and easy walk, if you walk over there without your car, you won't have anything to wash once you arrive. The car needs to make the trip with you so it can get the soap and water. Since it's basically right next door, it'll be the shortest drive of you…

GPT-OSS-120b, a (downloadable) model released more than half a year ago also gets that right, I'm not sure this is such a great success.

> Would you like me to check the local weather forecast to make sure it's not going to rain right after you wash it?

Regardless of what I do, the days I decide to wash my car, it ALWAYS rains the day after, even if I look at the weather report and it says sunny. Cute that Gemini thinks it can predict it better than universe's will.

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by tarr11 »

simonw wrote: post #52

Pretty great pelican: https://simonwillison.net/2026/Feb/19/gemini-31-pro/ - took over 5 minutes though, but I think that's because they're having performance teething problems on launch day.

What do you think this particular prompt is evaluating for?

The more popular these particular evals are, the more likely the model will be trained for them.

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