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Facebook Tries To Silence Blogger To Cover Up User Data Scandal

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Re: Facebook Tries To Silence Blogger To Cover Up User Data Scandal

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Read nothing scandalous about Facebook's behavior. This HN headline doesn't deliver. There is nothing wrong with the request to keep this quiet for a bit so you can investigate. This is not uncommon in the security world where vendors get some time to get their stuff together and release a fix. Depending on the severity of the issue and the risk of abuse.

“Oh and by the way, you are not allowed to disclose any part of this conversation; it is a secret that we are even having this conversation” If this is true, it's practically begging for the blogger to research the law, and publish the whole conversation because FB has no right whatsoever to make such demand. I wouldn't call it scandalous, but it would certainly be a pretty dumb thing to say. If I had to guess, I wou…

I have no specific knowledge of this case, but ...

> Perhaps a polite request to keep quiet. Who knows, Facebook is still a teenager in many respects so it's anybody's guess.

My experience with just about any company is that they would state their hopes as facts, and expect you to accept that as a fact. And it works with the vast majority of people.

Case (from outside the US): Credit card got a fraudulent charge. Called up the credit card company, disputing the charge (After credit card company was already paid by an automated payment service).

Credit card company: "Well, we're keeping your money, the law says we have 60 days to figure out if you are right or the merchant is right; if you are right, we'll give you back the money".

Me: "Ahhm. The law says you have to give me back the money this instant, and you have 60 days to figure out if you believe that the charge wasn't fraudulent; and if you do, you can explain it to me, and if I still disagree then there's a whole section in the law about that but you don't get any money automatically either"

Credit company: "Oh, you're right. Here's your money back, we'll be in touch in at most 6o days".

Re: Facebook Tries To Silence Blogger To Cover Up User Data Scandal

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post #11
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Oh and by the way, you are not allowed to disclose any part of this conversation; it is a secret that we are even having this conversation” If this is true, it's practically begging for the blogger to research the law, and publish the whole conversation because FB has no right whatsoever to make such demand. I wouldn't call it scandalous, but it would certainly be a pretty dumb thing to say. If I had to guess, I wou…

I have no specific knowledge of this case, but ... > Perhaps a polite request to keep quiet. Who knows, Facebook is still a teenager in many respects so it's anybody's guess. My experience with just about any company is that they would state their hopes as facts, and expect you to accept that as a fact. And it works with the vast majority of people. Case (from outside the US): Credit card got a fraudulent charge. Cal…

> My experience with just about any company is that they would state their hopes as facts, and expect you to accept that as a fact. And it works with the vast majority of people.

You're right but it also backfires with others, like this guy.

Re: Facebook Tries To Silence Blogger To Cover Up User Data Scandal

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post #11
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Oh and by the way, you are not allowed to disclose any part of this conversation; it is a secret that we are even having this conversation” If this is true, it's practically begging for the blogger to research the law, and publish the whole conversation because FB has no right whatsoever to make such demand. I wouldn't call it scandalous, but it would certainly be a pretty dumb thing to say. If I had to guess, I wou…

I have no specific knowledge of this case, but ... > Perhaps a polite request to keep quiet. Who knows, Facebook is still a teenager in many respects so it's anybody's guess. My experience with just about any company is that they would state their hopes as facts, and expect you to accept that as a fact. And it works with the vast majority of people. Case (from outside the US): Credit card got a fraudulent charge. Cal…

I understand. However, this is a savvy blogger who is looking for publicity. Facebook contacted him to defuse a potential PR situation, he didn't call them. You'd imagine they would be smarter than that, after all they are the world experts in virality and social media. Like I said, it's anybody's guess.

Re: Facebook Tries To Silence Blogger To Cover Up User Data Scandal

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I don't even trust the original blogger is being completely up-front and honest with us. He was going for the sensationalist angle from the start, and to have Facebook call him and ask for his help was just too rich for him to handle. Ack, coverup! Ack, censorship! FB needs to find out which app did this. Give them a chance.

Is he not performing the functions of a journalist? And if so, should we not encourage and admire someone's impulse to buck the system (without being destructive or unreasonable)? Why side with Goliath?

One of the primary responsibilities of a journalist is to avoid editorializing.

Re: Facebook Tries To Silence Blogger To Cover Up User Data Scandal

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post #5

I don't even trust the original blogger is being completely up-front and honest with us. He was going for the sensationalist angle from the start, and to have Facebook call him and ask for his help was just too rich for him to handle. Ack, coverup! Ack, censorship! FB needs to find out which app did this. Give them a chance.

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Re: Facebook Tries To Silence Blogger To Cover Up User Data Scandal

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is he not performing the functions of a journalist? And if so, should we not encourage and admire someone's impulse to buck the system (without being destructive or unreasonable)? Why side with Goliath?

One of the primary responsibilities of a journalist is to avoid editorializing.

Yeah, that is the editor's job.

Re: Facebook Tries To Silence Blogger To Cover Up User Data Scandal

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Read nothing scandalous about Facebook's behavior. This HN headline doesn't deliver. There is nothing wrong with the request to keep this quiet for a bit so you can investigate. This is not uncommon in the security world where vendors get some time to get their stuff together and release a fix. Depending on the severity of the issue and the risk of abuse.

The reason security researches follow "responsible disclosure" is because publicizing the flaw or existence of the flaw could allow innocent customers to be hacked and suffer security breaches.

However in this case, Facebook users can't be affected. We know the root cause of this 'breech' a dodgy Facebook app. If the original blog post actually contained the details of the users affected, it would be a different matter.

Re: Facebook Tries To Silence Blogger To Cover Up User Data Scandal

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Read nothing scandalous about Facebook's behavior. This HN headline doesn't deliver. There is nothing wrong with the request to keep this quiet for a bit so you can investigate. This is not uncommon in the security world where vendors get some time to get their stuff together and release a fix. Depending on the severity of the issue and the risk of abuse.

> This is not uncommon in the security world where vendors get some time to get their stuff together and release a fix.

What is the fix to data that is already out in the wild? The only fix is to warn everyone affected as soon as possible.

Re: Facebook Tries To Silence Blogger To Cover Up User Data Scandal

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This is an intriguing article, whether or not this true.

Now to be honest.. Facebook's platform is so open and easy to get information from people and their friends, that a typical web developer could create an App that requires the user's email address upon signing in via Facebook Connect. Upon successful connection, the developer could write a script to save that email address and post some article about the user using his/her real name. This could get the users attention, attracting their friends. Once they sign in, however, the script will store their email address as well. How long will this work for? Until Facebook denies the rights to your application.

If you want to make $5, sell that list to this guy.. again. haha.

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