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Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by eru »

danelski wrote: post #870
eru wrote: post #762

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Their goal is to monopolize labor for anything that has to do with i/o on a computer, which is way more than SWE. Its simple, this technology literally cannot create new jobs it simply can cause one engineer (or any worker whos job has to do with computer i/o) to do the work of 3, therefore allowing you to replace workers (and overwork the ones you keep). Companies don't need "more work" half the "features"/"produc…

The baristas example can only make me think that with the growing wealth disparity and no obvious exit path for white collars we might see a big return of servant-like jobs for below 1%. Who wouldn't want to wake up and daily assist life of some remaining upper-middle class Anthropic's employee?

What growing wealth disparity?

Btw, globally equality hasn't looked better in probably more than a century by now. Especially in terms of real consumption.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by samschooler »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #925
monkeydust wrote: post #845

The demise of saas has been overplayed imho. When companies buy software they are essentially buying something that solves a problem and the insurance that comes with that. Part of that means they get to pick up the phone and complain if something doesn't work and someone on the other end has to listen. There is also a strong community aspect to software, someone asks for an enhancement others can benefit etc. I just…

Who said SaaS is dead?? The HN uber-brain? The people who thought MongoDB was God's gift to databases? Don't listen to think-pieces you find here, they're wrong by default. Normal people (and businesses) don't want to build and run software products, they want to pay someone else to do it for them.

I would say it's the market and sentiment around SAAS right now. See HubSpot, Atlassian, Salesforce, etc. tickers.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by jstummbillig »

monkeydust wrote: post #845

The demise of saas has been overplayed imho. When companies buy software they are essentially buying something that solves a problem and the insurance that comes with that. Part of that means they get to pick up the phone and complain if something doesn't work and someone on the other end has to listen. There is also a strong community aspect to software, someone asks for an enhancement others can benefit etc. I just…

> Part of that means they get to pick up the phone and complain if something doesn't work and someone on the other end has to listen.

Yeah, so that part is actually not that fun? If I can have a setup with a reasonable shot at just fixing problems instead of having to go through random-saaa-support that is like really neat.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by MostlyStable »

lkbm wrote: post #947
MagicMoonlight wrote: post #515

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I think this is my favourite test. You can just tell it was programmed on smug Reddit comments talking about how Americans drive to places 50 metres away.

It's amusing, but when it comes to doing actually work, I just don't care if my LLM fails things like this. I'm not trying to trick it, so falling for tricks is harmless for my use cases. Does it write quality, secure code? Does it give me accurate answers about coding/physics/biology. If it gets those wrong, that's a problem. If it fails to solve riddles, well, that'll be a problem iff I decide to build a riddle sol…

Additionally, I don't think that these kinds of failures say much about overall intelligence. Humans are largely visual creatures, and we fall prey to innumerable visual illusions where we fail to see what's actually there or imagine something that isn't there under certain visual patterns.

LLMs are largely textual creatures and they fail to see things that are there or imagine things that are under certain textual patterns.

I don't think you would say a human "isn't really intelligent" because it imagines grey spots at the intersection of black squares on a white background even though they aren't there.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by snapcaster »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #925
monkeydust wrote: post #845

The demise of saas has been overplayed imho. When companies buy software they are essentially buying something that solves a problem and the insurance that comes with that. Part of that means they get to pick up the phone and complain if something doesn't work and someone on the other end has to listen. There is also a strong community aspect to software, someone asks for an enhancement others can benefit etc. I just…

Who said SaaS is dead?? The HN uber-brain? The people who thought MongoDB was God's gift to databases? Don't listen to think-pieces you find here, they're wrong by default. Normal people (and businesses) don't want to build and run software products, they want to pay someone else to do it for them.

The stock market has said SaaS is dead

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by horsawlarway »

fsloth wrote: post #882
horsawlarway wrote: post #876

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This is my take as well. Everyone (correctly, in my opinion) assumes that customers won't bother to recreate a SaaS themselves with AI because it requires at least some skill, time, and knowledge. But SaaS doesn't die because of all the customers creating one-off solutions themselves. It does the "desktop program" -> "mobile app" pricing transition. It drops monumentally in price because now a very small (sub five) g…

"reasonably stable company" If the other company is "equally stable" then pricing offers leverage sure. But there are lot of situations were _any_ license costs in some given range are so trivial nobody actually cares wether it's $15 / month or $1 / month. There are B2B customers who are ready to pay license premium for known brand vendor, even if they would use just a subset of the available features. Change is alwa…

This is absolutely true, but also not that important.

Again - I'm not saying "All SaaS products are going to immediately go away". In the same way that all desktop purchases didn't immediately dry up in response to mobile apps.

But some customers are extremely price sensitive. And some customers who aren't price sensitive now, become price sensitive at some point.

Most new entrants to an existing market explicitly don't win by trying to engage the large enterprise customers. It's a shitshow of misaligned interests, checklist style purchasing decisions, unreasonable demands, custom solutions, etc...

They win by being a decent product at a decent price point for the 1 to 10 seat company range. The people who are both buying and using the software personally. With their own money, not a corporate card.

Eventually, the SaaS catering to enterprise has to actually explain their value to those users, and often it's basically zero: they're more expensive because they have all that cruft enterprises need, not because they're a better value for solo/small business.

So the legacy player starts to see serious churn. Retention becomes problematic. New user growth slows. Prices have to go up to maintain existing profits, which just drives more small folks away.

And then a decade later you have an overpriced enterprise only solution, which may absolutely still have a couple of large customers who won't switch, but who is otherwise essentially a legacy product on the road to death.

And then the enterprise customers start looking at why they spend so much compared to the other vendors for a legacy product, and they start bleeding away too.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by badc0ffee »

konart wrote: post #231
thinkling wrote: post #168

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For comparisonI think the current leader in pelican drawing is Gemini 3 Deep Think: https://bsky.app/profile/simonwillison.net/post/3meolxx5s722...

My take (also Gemini 3 Deep Think): https://gemini.google.com/share/12e672dd39b7 Somehow it's much better now.

The point of the penny-farthing is that you drive the front wheel directly with the pedals, but this seems to have the pedals in a spot where they would drive a chain, although there is no chain?

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by badc0ffee »

pama wrote: post #657
red2awn wrote: post #500

> i need to wash my helicopter at the helicopter wash. it is 50m away, should i walk or fly there with my helicopter. Sonnet 4.6: Walk! Flying a helicopter 50 metres would be more trouble than it's worth — by the time you've done your pre-flight checks, spun up the rotors, lifted off, and then safely landed again, you'd have walked there and back twice. Just stroll over.

TBH I would first walk there to check that they can take me on the spot, and if so, ask them to either please come clean it (only 50m away) or if they cannot fly it there. So walk seems very rational to me.

Sure, just pick up the building containing the compressors, water hoses/sprayers, soap, and required drainage and water filtration system, and bring it 50 metres down the road.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by soerxpso »

Alifatisk wrote: post #541

> Sonnet 4.5, starting at $3/$15 per million tokens. Are people really willing to pay these prices? The open-weight models are catching up in a rapid pace while keeping the prices so low. MiniMax M2.5, Kimi 2.5 and GLM-5 is dirt cheap compared to this. They may not be sota but they are more than good enough.

For most tasks it's not necessary. For hairy tasks, it's often nice to switch and pay 10x the cost to complete the task with 10x less intervention.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

snapcaster wrote: post #955
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #925

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who said SaaS is dead?? The HN uber-brain? The people who thought MongoDB was God's gift to databases? Don't listen to think-pieces you find here, they're wrong by default. Normal people (and businesses) don't want to build and run software products, they want to pay someone else to do it for them.

The stock market has said SaaS is dead

If the stock market told you to jump off a bridge, would you?
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