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Jailbreaking now legal under DMCA for smartphones, but not tablets

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Re: Jailbreaking now legal under DMCA for smartphones, but not tablets

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When I was typing out 1. I was thinking of the response that SOPA got. It seemed like it mobilised people to make phone calls and send emails. I think that had an impact. I'm just guessing here. In any case, it would be very interesting to see how LOC would respond to a surge in constituent participation in the DMCA exception process.

The key is to mobilize people in a way that makes an impact without going to the well too often. In the case of this proceeding, we knew that the Copyright Office does not necessarily respond to numbers of people simply saying "do this do this." When we put out a call, we asked for (and received) specific stories from people explaining why they themselves wanted this exemption. That is very different from the kind of…

This sounds like interesting work. Indeed I think those submitting requests need to thnk carefully about how to make compelling arguments. I'm thankful for the work you and your team are doing. saurik: As I asked "Am I missing something here?", the answer is of course "I am", but I continue to learn. I'm glad to hear you're getting involved with this.

Re: Jailbreaking now legal under DMCA for smartphones, but not tablets

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Your not describing a DRM system, you are describing taking down distributors.

The point is that even a weak DRM system like Kindle's is sufficient to keep most people on the right side of the line. It doesn't have to be perfect.

I don't believe that DRM deserves the credit because I have yet to observe any such deterrent effect, while conversely, I have heard of many who turned to piracy due to feeling cheated by DRM.

I'm just curious, but have you ever observed anyone give up and buy something because they failed to pirate it?

Re: Jailbreaking now legal under DMCA for smartphones, but not tablets

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How does carrier unlocking figure out into DMCA? Is it in any way related to copyrights? I'm sure the librarian has an opinion, but how can they have jurisdiction?

Looking at the official statement about the unlocking exemption (pages 16-20 of https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.g... ), it sounds like the software on the phone controlling its access to the carrier is a copyrighted work. So if you want to circumvent protections against modifying it, you have to wrangle with the DMCA.

> protections against modifying it

Silly me. And I thought that "effective technical measure" was against copying, not modification.

I'm no copyright scholar, but this seems like they lack jurisdiction about this, and/or are trying a power grab.

E.g., Bunnie Huang's NeTV device modifies an HDCP encoded signal in-flight, adding an image overlay. If what you state about unlocking is true, then the NeTV is also illegal, and the DMCA is even worse than everyone thinks.

Re: Jailbreaking now legal under DMCA for smartphones, but not tablets

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is that even a weak DRM system like Kindle's is sufficient to keep most people on the right side of the line. It doesn't have to be perfect.

I don't believe that DRM deserves the credit because I have yet to observe any such deterrent effect, while conversely, I have heard of many who turned to piracy due to feeling cheated by DRM. I'm just curious, but have you ever observed anyone give up and buy something because they failed to pirate it?

I'm just curious, but have you ever observed anyone give up and buy something because they failed to pirate it?

I've done it myself many, many times.

Re: Jailbreaking now legal under DMCA for smartphones, but not tablets

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at the official statement about the unlocking exemption (pages 16-20 of https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.g... ), it sounds like the software on the phone controlling its access to the carrier is a copyrighted work. So if you want to circumvent protections against modifying it, you have to wrangle with the DMCA.

> protections against modifying it Silly me. And I thought that "effective technical measure" was against copying, not modification. I'm no copyright scholar, but this seems like they lack jurisdiction about this, and/or are trying a power grab. E.g., Bunnie Huang's NeTV device modifies an HDCP encoded signal in-flight, adding an image overlay. If what you state about unlocking is true, then the NeTV is also illegal,…

I believe the problem with unlocking is that both copying and modifying require circumventing technological protection measures, and that modifying a program has legal ramifications similar to copying it - they're both fair use if you own the copy of the software and not fair use if you're just licensing it. Since the purpose of exemptions is to allow fair use, but it's unclear whether we own or license the baseband software on phones we own, the Copyright Office decided to approve but limit this exemption.

I'll show my work, since I'm not a copyright scholar either, just trying to interpret the official statement:

According to the summary on page 1, the questions are: (1) Are you circumventing a protection measure? (2) Is the measure protecting a copyrighted work? (3) Is your use of the copyrighted work non-infringing? [And according to pages 4-5, there's another question, although not directly relevant to your comment: (4) Is circumvention the only practical way to achieve the result of this use?]

The discussion of the unlocking exemption ("permits the circumvention of computer programs on mobile phones to enable such mobile phones to connect to alternative networks") starts on page 16. Page 17 includes an interesting bit about copyright:

"Proponents advanced several theories as to why “unlocking” is a noninfringing use, including that it does not implicate any copyright interests or, if it does, the conduct is permitted under Section 117 of the Copyright Act. In particular, proponents asserted that the owners of mobile phones are also the owners of the copies of the computer programs on those phones and that, as owners, they are entitled to exercise their rights under Section 117, which gives the owner of a copy of a computer program the privilege to make or authorize the making of another copy or adaptation of that computer program under certain circumstances, such as to permit the program to be used on a particular machine."

But then page 19 presents a concern: according to some legal precedents, the owner of the phone may not be the owner of the software, so he or she wouldn't have the right to modify it. It says "the Register was forced to conclude that the state of the law – and its applicability to mobile phone software – remains indeterminate." After some more discussion of licensing and ownership, it goes on to say "The Register therefore determined that some subset of wireless customers – i.e., anyone considered to own the software on their phones under applicable precedent – would be entitled to exercise the Section 117 privilege."

I believe all of this shows that the Copyright Office considered whether it had jurisdiction and decided that it did. I don't know enough about Huang's NeTV work to be able to guess about how the DMCA applies to it.

Re: Jailbreaking now legal under DMCA for smartphones, but not tablets

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe that DRM deserves the credit because I have yet to observe any such deterrent effect, while conversely, I have heard of many who turned to piracy due to feeling cheated by DRM. I'm just curious, but have you ever observed anyone give up and buy something because they failed to pirate it?

I'm just curious, but have you ever observed anyone give up and buy something because they failed to pirate it? I've done it myself many, many times.

What did you fail to pirate?
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