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GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by dotancohen »

bergheim wrote: post #105

Been using this for about a year on a p9 pro. It works very well. I hear the google tap to pay does not work, but I've never tried it. However Vipps with their tap to pay works fine. BankID works but not with biometric login, which some things require IIRC. And for some reason DnB private works fine, but you are not allowed in on the corp app. It's mind boggingly stupid that they lock down apps like this, when you ca…

I have a few features that I need that I'm not sure if Graphene supports. If you could check that would help!

Can you record phone calls? Do third party voice recorders continue recording even when the screen is locked? Thank you!

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by FullMetalBitch »

kakacik wrote: post #258
haskman wrote: post #235

Been running GrapheneOS for a while on a Pixel 9, and extremely happy with it! Apart from the usual perks of the FOSS ecosystem, there are a few things specific to GrapheneOS that are not immediately apparent but have turned out to work very well - 1. The Pixel camera app works, including all modes and settings. A camera that takes good photos was absolutely a requirement for me, and the FOSS camera apps are not quit…

A quick question from potential buyer of next generation of pixel phones, since samsung keeps disappointing hard with their top line - is there any difference in quality between default photo app and what graphene os bundles with? Pixel are supposed to be very good in photography, part hardware and part software, and my concern would be degradation of that software part. With small kids, there is nothing more importa…

If photos are important for you GCam is a must, you can download it

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by microtonal »

shevy-java wrote: post #236
fodmap wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's mind boggingly stupid that they lock down apps like this, when you can just open the thing in a website anyway. I can use my bank on some linux distro... Not in Spain. I can access my bank's website but I can't do anything without their bank app. Even sometimes they require to confirm my identity using their app in order to access their website. I have several linux phones but I can only do banking with their…

This should be illegal that the government forces people into apps controlled by private, commercial entities. I call such a government corrupt. Here in central Europe I can still access the bank website fine without smartphone. I need a physical device to yield a TAN though, but I can access and do online transactions fine. So I think something is wrong with the spanish government. People need to protest.

My bank still supports TAN codes with a device too. Unfortunately, once it breaks or the battery goes dead you cannot get a new one and have to use their app. Fortunately, their app works on GrapheneOS without issues.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by Cider9986 »

dotancohen wrote: post #301
bergheim wrote: post #105

Been using this for about a year on a p9 pro. It works very well. I hear the google tap to pay does not work, but I've never tried it. However Vipps with their tap to pay works fine. BankID works but not with biometric login, which some things require IIRC. And for some reason DnB private works fine, but you are not allowed in on the corp app. It's mind boggingly stupid that they lock down apps like this, when you ca…

I have a few features that I need that I'm not sure if Graphene supports. If you could check that would help! Can you record phone calls? Do third party voice recorders continue recording even when the screen is locked? Thank you!

Yes to both.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by dotancohen »

microtonal wrote: post #300
pmontra wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can use my bank on some linux distro, Yes, I've been doing that since 2009 on Ubuntu and Debian but there are several caveats. One of those banks has its own TOTP device and they won't replace it when the battery dies. It's almost 20 years old now. Then it's the fingerprint sensor on my phone. The other banks authenticate accesses and many operations with either their app + fingerprint (all of them) or SMS (some…

GrapheneOS requirement of Pixel devices is a dependency on Google too. They are currently working with an OEM to release a non-Pixel GrapheneOS phone in the future.

I hope and pray that is a Samsung S Ultra device. The built-in stylus transforms the whole user experience, I would not go back to a device that I must swipe my dirty fingers across.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by ghrl »

"Break free from Google" and buy a Pixel phone from them to do so.

But unironically Pixels are currently some of the best actually open phones. They do not lock down or require shady practices for unlocking the bootloader (although they do require a network check once that happens automatically, but it will permanently allow unlocking the bootloader if successful once. Pixels are very easy to restore and almost un-brickable, allow bypassing the boot screen warning by pressing the power button twice, actually allow relocking the bootloader and don't void your warranty unlocking it, don't have a shady one-time fuse like Samsung phones do with Knox, etc.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by wolvoleo »

phantom784 wrote: post #286
shevy-java wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This should be illegal that the government forces people into apps controlled by private, commercial entities. I call such a government corrupt. Here in central Europe I can still access the bank website fine without smartphone. I need a physical device to yield a TAN though, but I can access and do online transactions fine. So I think something is wrong with the spanish government. People need to protest.

Especially in Europe! They shouldn't be forcing you to run an OS from an American company.

Even the EU initiative Wero requires Google or Apple. You can't even use it on a desktop pc and you're not even allowed to have developer options on. Ridiculous. I've never seen any app that is so strict.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by dotancohen »

shevy-java wrote: post #236
fodmap wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's mind boggingly stupid that they lock down apps like this, when you can just open the thing in a website anyway. I can use my bank on some linux distro... Not in Spain. I can access my bank's website but I can't do anything without their bank app. Even sometimes they require to confirm my identity using their app in order to access their website. I have several linux phones but I can only do banking with their…

This should be illegal that the government forces people into apps controlled by private, commercial entities. I call such a government corrupt. Here in central Europe I can still access the bank website fine without smartphone. I need a physical device to yield a TAN though, but I can access and do online transactions fine. So I think something is wrong with the spanish government. People need to protest.

  > This should be illegal that the government forces people into apps controlled by private, commercial entities. I call such a government corrupt.
Or how about schools requiring parents to use WhatsApp to receive updates and information? Luckily my ex forwards to me the important stuff, but not everyone is as lucky to have an ex like mine ))

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by gf000 »

ForHackernews wrote: post #265
palata wrote: post #101

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I think it's more of a marketing claim from less secure systems that "privacy is not security, and GrapheneOS focuses on security while we focus on privacy". GrapheneOS does care about both, quite obviously. And GrapheneOS tends to say that if your security is bad, then it is affecting your privacy too. Whereas others say "sure, we break the Android security model by unlocking the bootloader and signing our system wi…

This is only my opinion, but GrapheneOS's approach to privacy seems obtuse to me. They will claim that an unlocked bootloader is a risk, but then turn around and recommend you install proprietary apps GApps in their sandbox. The sandbox doesn't matter if all the private data is in the same sandbox! Reminds me of https://xkcd.com/1200/

They recommend you install google play services if you need it. Privacy is in no small part a user-decision - no matter how secure your device is if you just scroll Facebook all day.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by [deleted] »

ghrl wrote: post #306

"Break free from Google" and buy a Pixel phone from them to do so. But unironically Pixels are currently some of the best actually open phones. They do not lock down or require shady practices for unlocking the bootloader (although they do require a network check once that happens automatically, but it will permanently allow unlocking the bootloader if successful once. Pixels are very easy to restore and almost un-br…

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