Break free from Google by paying money to Google for a Pixel phone? Even with a used Pixel, you're helping prop up their used market value which helps Google
This statement implies ignorance to the reasons the project selected Pixel devices.
GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple
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Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple
#262Until these OS also start putting forward something like WebOS that tried to get phones back to on open web, there is no breaking the binary format and Appstore monopoly.
I wish Europe would have forced that 10 years ago since the US is beyond saving.
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#263Break free from Google and Apple by buying a phone from Google /s
I commented elsewhere but GrapheneOS on Pixels actively siphon resources from Google and is arguably a good protest against google. They subsidize Pixel hardware (to incentivize users to adopt their spyware OS), you (buying used obviously) take their subsidized hardware and do not repay them by using their spyware, replacing it with Graphene. Only google loses. Their hardware is technically very good otherwise (in fa…
How about they start supporting more devices instead?
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#264Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's mind boggingly stupid that they lock down apps like this, when you can just open the thing in a website anyway. I can use my bank on some linux distro... Not in Spain. I can access my bank's website but I can't do anything without their bank app. Even sometimes they require to confirm my identity using their app in order to access their website. I have several linux phones but I can only do banking with their…
Not in Spain. I can access my bank's website but I can't do anything without their bank app. Even sometimes they require to confirm my identity using their app in order to access their website. I've seen this elsewhere, and it's absolutely ridiculous. Why? Because in almost all cases, the apps may only be installed with Google Play, and require the framework to work correctly. And that means? If you are not in good s…
I thought this was what Larry meant when he said surveillance will keep citizens on their best behavior. If one’s reputation score is low, sorry no money. Also, if anyone in one’s network has bad behavior, no money and no friends. Maybe the kids will learn to accept it, but being of the last analog generation, to me it seems like a painful future.
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#265Earlier quoted context omitted.
I like GrapheneOS but they fail to understand in this post that the #1 security concern an android user face is the lack of privacy. Sure they have hardened everything but realistically, that's not the main threat for your average user. Their top contribution to android is the sandboxed Google Play, by far.
I think it's more of a marketing claim from less secure systems that "privacy is not security, and GrapheneOS focuses on security while we focus on privacy". GrapheneOS does care about both, quite obviously. And GrapheneOS tends to say that if your security is bad, then it is affecting your privacy too. Whereas others say "sure, we break the Android security model by unlocking the bootloader and signing our system wi…
This is only my opinion, but GrapheneOS's approach to privacy seems obtuse to me. They will claim that an unlocked bootloader is a risk, but then turn around and recommend you install proprietary apps GApps in their sandbox. The sandbox doesn't matter if all the private data is in the same sandbox!
Reminds me of https://xkcd.com/1200/
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#266Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's mind boggingly stupid that they lock down apps like this, when you can just open the thing in a website anyway. I can use my bank on some linux distro... Not in Spain. I can access my bank's website but I can't do anything without their bank app. Even sometimes they require to confirm my identity using their app in order to access their website. I have several linux phones but I can only do banking with their…
> Not in Spain. I can access my bank's website but I can't do anything without their bank app. I don't know about Spain specifically, but as far as I understand it no bank in the European Economic Area + UK should allow banking via just the website alone anymore, because of the "Revised Payment Services Directive" (PSD2) regulation. Essentially, banks are required to implement "strong customer authentication", which…
TOTP not accepted?
(When will people learn that biometrics are not another factor: they're entirely public and irrevocable. It's not just security theater, but Apple & Google know that this forces you into their ecosystem, which should be illegal. Of course, Brussels is full of rubes anyway.)
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#267Does anyone have a good grasp of the differences between GOS and /e/OS? I'm buying a Fairphone soon and was wondering what both are like
I have been using /e/OS for 5 years, and also GOS. My take is: - If your phone is supported by GOS, you should go for GOS. - If your phone is not supported by GOS, you should look carefully and compare between /e/OS and Stock Android. I had a Fairphone 3, and after 5 years, /e/OS was outdated by 4 years w.r.t. the manufacturer updates. In other words, Stock Android coming from Fairphone was more secure than /e/OS on…
> I had a Fairphone 3, and after 5 years, /e/OS was outdated by 4 years w.r.t. the manufacturer updates
Mine is running /e/ and reporting Android 13, which appears to be the last one Fairphone support. /e/ said it was too difficult to support 14 with the kernel involved. It's had continual security updates apart from the Android version.
Edit: Murena make it clear which phones are officially supported and which have "community" support.
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#268And once you are on GrapheneOS, break free from your proprietary watch ecosystem and switch to GadgetBridge ( https://gadgetbridge.org/ ) I run a Thinkpad with NixOS and KDE, a Pixel 9 with GrapheneOS, and an Amazfit watch paired with GadgetBridge on my phone. It's a testament to the hard work of the FOSS maintainers of these projects, and the spirit of open source, that everything works flawlessly together without a…
> And once you are on GrapheneOS, break free from your proprietary watch ecosystem and switch to GadgetBridge Then switch back to Google/Apple after half a year when you discover that you can’t run - your banking app - any government app - the app required to access large sports events - the pandemic tracking app without which you can’t enter an airport - various other random apps because they ALL detect that you’re…
No banking app on phone because why; no government app because oh fuck why, whats wrong with your government (at least in primary phone and I never needed secondary); app for sport events - thats just me but I prefer doing sports rather than passively watch them, so 0 loss; pandemic what? its 2026 and I never saw such requirement in Europe, Africa nor Asia; no other app requires that.
Thats not coming from some paranoid security person, just regular (software dev) joe.
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#269Been using this for about a year on a p9 pro. It works very well. I hear the google tap to pay does not work, but I've never tried it. However Vipps with their tap to pay works fine. BankID works but not with biometric login, which some things require IIRC. And for some reason DnB private works fine, but you are not allowed in on the corp app. It's mind boggingly stupid that they lock down apps like this, when you ca…
> It's mind boggingly stupid that they lock down apps like this, when you can just open the thing in a website anyway. I can use my bank on some linux distro... Not in Spain. I can access my bank's website but I can't do anything without their bank app. Even sometimes they require to confirm my identity using their app in order to access their website. I have several linux phones but I can only do banking with their…
I don't know which banks you are using but in my case I work with five Spanish banks and I can do everything from their websites, no app required. Yes, they try to push you to use their app, some tried to activate mobile 2fa for me when this psd2 thing became mandatory but I always told them their app doesn't work on my phone (which is true) and they offered me alternate methods like sms.
Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple
#270And once you are on GrapheneOS, break free from your proprietary watch ecosystem and switch to GadgetBridge ( https://gadgetbridge.org/ ) I run a Thinkpad with NixOS and KDE, a Pixel 9 with GrapheneOS, and an Amazfit watch paired with GadgetBridge on my phone. It's a testament to the hard work of the FOSS maintainers of these projects, and the spirit of open source, that everything works flawlessly together without a…
> And once you are on GrapheneOS, break free from your proprietary watch ecosystem and switch to GadgetBridge Then switch back to Google/Apple after half a year when you discover that you can’t run - your banking app - any government app - the app required to access large sports events - the pandemic tracking app without which you can’t enter an airport - various other random apps because they ALL detect that you’re…
You can lock the bootloader again with GrapheneOS and many banking apps work.