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GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by dgxyz »

ordainedclicks wrote: post #3

One of the only big downsides I've noticed with GrapheneOS is that several banking apps don't work with it at all thanks to being tied to Google's verification ecosystem. Luckily I have hardware 2FA keys from my bank so I can authenticate using that. It also slightly decreases the suck-factor from whenever the phone decides to fly off down a drain. This may not be the case for you, so do your research on what you nee…

Does anyone know if HSBC's UK app works on it? I've seen inconsistent reports that it does and doesn't.

Edit: ignore this - there's a list elsewhere in this thread!

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by 6jQhWNYh »

It's a shame only Pixel phones are supported. I have PWM sensitivity and Pixel phones are notoriously bad for this, my eyes hurt when I look at one for more than 30mn. Due to the lack of good, secure alternative, I have had to give up on privacy in exchange for manufacturer updates.

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Post by mentalgear »

ordainedclicks wrote: post #3

One of the only big downsides I've noticed with GrapheneOS is that several banking apps don't work with it at all thanks to being tied to Google's verification ecosystem. Luckily I have hardware 2FA keys from my bank so I can authenticate using that. It also slightly decreases the suck-factor from whenever the phone decides to fly off down a drain. This may not be the case for you, so do your research on what you nee…

"Banking Applications Compatibility with GrapheneOS" https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by lowdude »

zhouzhao wrote: post #15
lpcvoid wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because google actually cares about hardware and software security. Read the FAQ: https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices

>Because google actually cares about hardware and software security. That statement might not have aged so well, especially consindering googles attempt to lock out apps from their devices, If the developers do not comply with being oficially registered.

There is a difference between security and privacy or freedom of use. Locking down the device to only allow a subset of apps that Google has some control over (by requiring developers to register) is a measure that can increase security, even though it obviously takes some control away from the end-user.

The fact that the play store is not exactly known for exceptionally high standards w.r.t. malware, or that there are lots of valid concerns that come along with a company controlling who is allowed to supply apps for the device is a different topic.

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Post by izacus »

zhouzhao wrote: post #15
lpcvoid wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because google actually cares about hardware and software security. Read the FAQ: https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices

>Because google actually cares about hardware and software security. That statement might not have aged so well, especially consindering googles attempt to lock out apps from their devices, If the developers do not comply with being oficially registered.

Don't mix security and freedom. They're commonly opposed to each other.

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Post by choeger »

What about device attestation? Will you be able to run banking apps and Netflix et. al.?

For me the biggest concern is that while you may be able to use and run your own device, you will be locked out of most propietary services. Much like how more and more websites simply don't work with Firefox anymore.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Post by haunter »

Break free from Android... by installing Android? I'm not sure it's really breaking free when the first task to do is intall Google Play Services so your banking app works.

Sounds like we can't actually breaking free from Android and iOS. Maybe with Linux like the Fedora Atomic for mobile devices? https://github.com/pocketblue/pocketblue Or PostmarketOS? https://postmarketos.org/

Even then banking would probably only work through the browser... Sad state of the world really.

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