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Re: Privilege is bad grammar

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Post by jpfromlondon »

StevenWaterman wrote: post #4

This is almost textbook countersignalling. The same as: - Signalling: I dress more formally than everyone else to make up for the fact I'm less professional in other ways - No signalling: I dress like everyone else because I am like everyone else - Countersignalling: I wear ratty old clothes with holes in them, and nobody will dare to question it because I'm the important one here

- Signalling: I dress more formally than everyone else to make up for the fact I'm less professional in other ways

- No signalling: I dress like everyone else because I am like everyone else

- Countersignalling: I wear ratty old clothes with holes in them, and nobody will dare to question it because I'm the important one here

In old-money settings all three of these things can be true simultaneously, dressing more formally than people outside, just like everyone else inside (in fact expected, to indicate familiarity with the standards of class, and often worn, ratty, old, and comfortable.

Re: Privilege is bad grammar

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Post by didntcheck »

WalterBright wrote: post #187
saghm wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I kinda wish the airlines would have a dress code What? Why? Are you really that bothered by other people wearing stuff that you wouldn't personally want to wear? I can't even imagine going through life with strong feelings about how other people should dress; it legitimately sounds exhausting.

Would you go to a wedding dressed like a slob? Would you go to an elegant restaurant in sweats? If you go to pick up your date, and she opens the door wearing track shorts and a worn t-shirt, how would you feel? When I'd pick up my date, and she had obviously spent a lot of time on her appearance, it'd make me feel like a million bucks.

A wedding is a social event with friends and family. I am going there to see the people. A flight is a functional form of transport which is shared out of necessity. I am going there to pay as little mind to the other people as possible

Re: Privilege is bad grammar

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Post by didntcheck »

getnormality wrote: post #237

What does it have to do with privilege? This person's need for grammar seems to be self-imposed. I don't see where anyone judged him for bad grammar while a privileged person was given a get-out-of-jail-free card for the grammar police.

Yep

> If I had sent out an email with even a quarter of the typos they had, I probably would've lost my job.

I don't know their life, and they may be right, but I think they may well just be imagining it. I also went from excessive formality to short conversational tone as I became more experienced. But it wasn't due to any promotions, but because I realized nobody had ever cared

I mean this is a standard cliché even in fictional works: the young new worker who keeps falling over themselves to perform what they think is necessary formality, only to be shown that they can just chill out and act like a human

Re: Privilege is bad grammar

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Post by dxdm »

Spivak wrote: post #234
marcosdumay wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the best way to take advantage may be by unmasking the people that are incompetent enough to not assess others competence by looking at their work, and instead just look at their clothes. But well, it's context sensitive.

You can't control others, you can only control your response to them. How people perceive you is a comprehensive and isn't always based in logic. You can use this to your advantage and take control of your own narrative or not. But you'll be worse off for it if you don't. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised about what kinds of things people look favorably on.

What a tease. Please pleasantly surprise me! :)

Re: Privilege is bad grammar

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Post by erelong »

I think it's just that grammar is independent of getting results; so bosses who might get results might also have bad grammar. Having good grammar doesn't make you any more able to get things done - in other words, someone with bad grammar might be more able to get things fone than someone with good grammar

Re: Privilege is bad grammar

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Post by shmeeed »

cracki wrote: post #158
yieldcrv wrote: post #147

I latch on to some of these trends by lowercasing everything, in this case I mostly just don’t correct it if I missed a case its more like insulation, the people that criticize it seem less connected and less compensated than me while understanding exactly what was conveyed, and the people like me are the same like “look at this try hard middle manager that doesn’t focus on anything relevant” one thing I do conscious…

people are scared of periods? ... lmao!

Mostly men.

Re: Privilege is bad grammar

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Post by freggi »

StevenWaterman wrote: post #4

This is almost textbook countersignalling. The same as: - Signalling: I dress more formally than everyone else to make up for the fact I'm less professional in other ways - No signalling: I dress like everyone else because I am like everyone else - Countersignalling: I wear ratty old clothes with holes in them, and nobody will dare to question it because I'm the important one here

I don’t think it’s counter-signaling- I think it’s just millenialism, even if it’s done by people in other generations just mimicking them. As a gen-X, I’d never send a bunch of crying emojis, and agree it’s unprofessional, but my millenial co-workers would do it.

Re: Privilege is bad grammar

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Post by senordevnyc »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #132
StevenWaterman wrote: post #4

This is almost textbook countersignalling. The same as: - Signalling: I dress more formally than everyone else to make up for the fact I'm less professional in other ways - No signalling: I dress like everyone else because I am like everyone else - Countersignalling: I wear ratty old clothes with holes in them, and nobody will dare to question it because I'm the important one here

It's not counter signalling. It's just the complete death of high culture. Hoodies aren't some statement about how you're too cool to care, it's just that no one cares to look good.

It's just the complete death of high culture.

Good riddance.

Re: Privilege is bad grammar

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Post by AbstractH24 »

otterley wrote: post #31

What I've seen is that leaders often communicate brusquely downward, but formally upward - and the higher the rank, the greater the magnitude (in each direction). I think it's a consequence of having more and more people asking you things (on the downward side), while being responsible for decisions of more critical importance (on the upward side) as you go further up the chain of command.

What makes you think its just "leaders"?
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