They say this eliminates (studied) openings because no one can study all the variations. I wonder how much of the game is figuring out how to get to “known” territory as quickly as possible. Vs. how much is literally terra incognita.
Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship
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Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship
#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
An extraordinary claim without any proof. Surely you believe the moon to be made of cheese, since we can‘t travel there to verify it‘s not?
Yeah his claim is quite absurd really. If it was a weaker stockfish (bad hardware, older version etc.) then maybe. Modern stockfish pretty much crushes any and everyone. A draw alone would be extremely impressive, and maybe doable with enough luck from a top player. But even that is very far fetched nowadays. Let alone actually winning.
Elsewhere in the thread he revealed that he achieved these results around the year 2015, which means we was playing against Stockfish 6 or earlier, estimated to have about 400 less ELO than today's Stockfish 18. Stockfish 6 didn't even have NNUE, so the real issue seems to be that he thinks his results from 2015 hold any relevance to the chess engines of today.
Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship
#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
You and I are saying the same thing.
"6+ months of daily hard work" "to the point of becoming bored"
Did your eyes stop reading the "hard work" comment once you got to the word "and"?
Preparing for chess tournaments is always hard work. But the point is that he no longer has motivation to do that hard work to participate in the championship, since he's won it so many times and the result is never in doubt.
He said previously that he would defend his title again if his challenger was Alireza Firouzja. In other words there are certain things which would've caused him to be more interested /care more about competing, and thus motivated him to do that hard work. Make any sense?
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#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
When is the last time a human has beaten a computer in a fair chess game?
A fair match has never been played between humans and computers. Let's say we have a fair match: * 100 games, to have some statistical relevance. * One move per day, so that being tired is no disadvantage (engine can ponder all day). * Human has access to endgame tablebases and opening databases, like the engine. * Human can make notes and has a software like Chess Position Trainer, which can min max, like the engine…
From the Stockfish docs at https://official-stockfish.github.io/docs/stockfish-wiki/Sto....
> Rating Stockfish against a human scale, such as FIDE Elo, has become virtually impossible. The gap in strength is so large that a human player cannot secure the necessary draws or wins for an accurate Elo measurement.
Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship
#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
But machines also can’t use opening prep like they do in normal chess.
I expect this would hurt humans more than machines... but I'd love if someone with better knowledge than me of the current state of chess engines could chime in.
Your intuition is correct.
Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship
#236Chess is in such a sad situation again. The world champion (which is determined for classical chess) isn't even remotely the best player. He's barely even in the top 10 and may soon fall out of that too. In terms of strength he's the weakest player to win in half a century even in absolute terms. And I can't think of any time in modern history of chess when such a low ranked player won. We really need to do something…
I think the household names are perfectly able to start their own league and deprecate FIDE. Maybe they are already? This is a situation where the org needs the players more than the players need the org.
I think it was F1 auto racing that recently (10 or so) years ago went through a revolution that changed the rules (for fans, in that case) that dramatically increased the viewership of the sport, mainly because the previous owner was so out of touch with the times.
Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship
#237They say this eliminates (studied) openings because no one can study all the variations. I wonder how much of the game is figuring out how to get to “known” territory as quickly as possible. Vs. how much is literally terra incognita.
It’s really hard to get known positions in most of the 960 openings. I think there are general themes for development for the format as well as some positions where you can get instantly mated, and there’s a lot of energy to avoiding that.
I will inject my own opinion: it’s exhausting to watch this format at a high level. You need to be working as hard as the players to understand their plans and it’s not cozy vs standard chess
Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship
#238Wait why are there separate mens and womens prizes?
There are "Open" (anyone can enter) and "Women" (only women can enter) events.
If you did not have the "Women" category, then you would see only men play in these events as there are no active women in the top 100.
Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship
#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't really follow human chess, but I wonder what the new nr 1 player thought of themselves after essentially becoming the "best player in the world who doesn't wear jeans." Must be so frustrating to know there is something left to achieve but your league's shenanigans will prevent you from achieving it in an official and prestigious manner.
In my experience many highly competitive people care mostly about the win itself, and less about the how.
But that's it. There was no win because the opportunity to even compete was taken away. Imagine you train your whole life and finally win the Olympic Gold medal, but everyone knows it's only because the true nr 1 ignored to compete in this format.
Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship
#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
In my experience many highly competitive people care mostly about the win itself, and less about the how.
But that's it. There was no win because the opportunity to even compete was taken away. Imagine you train your whole life and finally win the Olympic Gold medal, but everyone knows it's only because the true nr 1 ignored to compete in this format.
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