GAE has been very good since I started using it. They entire internet seems to be slow...even HN
App Engine down
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Re: App Engine down
#92I think this is larger than just GAE. http://internettrafficreport.com/namerica.htm It seems like large portions of the internet are down.
And here we have another website that does something similar:
And according to them all routes are up and running just fine,not only that bit ping times aren't elevated.
Re: App Engine down
#93Here's a zen koan for you:
If every website on the internet is hosted in the cloud, and the cloud goes down, is there an internet?
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
While the argument was perhaps coming on a bit too strong, it's hard to deny the ease of deployment on cloud services. It's probably a safe bet to say that for most early stage startups the cloud is a good move.
I'm at a loss in these discussions. I don't understand this developer-point-of-view. Can you specifically give me examples of why using a cloud provider is better for a startup than, for example, using a couple desktops in your garage? You can't say it's because of backups because the cloud doesn't provide a backup (unless you purchase an extra data backup solution with your cloud provider?). And correct me if i'm wr…
For what it’s worth, Heroku’s PG Backups addon is free of charge.
Re: App Engine down
#95I'm seeing a bunch of Google properties also. Maybe they are running on app engine? Like https://developers.google.com/
http://sites.google.com/ was down too. I got monitoring report, but I first assumed it's false. Because false down reports are much more common than Google services being actually down.
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#96Before the doom and gloomers come out, this is the first time since leaving beta I can remember it happening. We left AWS about 18 months ago after one of the outages and switched to GAE. I've counted 3-4 big downtimes for AWS compared to this one on GAE. That's still a good decision (for now)....
I have yet to experience downtime with RackspaceCloud and I've been using them for like 3 years.
Me too.
Re: App Engine down
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
While the argument was perhaps coming on a bit too strong, it's hard to deny the ease of deployment on cloud services. It's probably a safe bet to say that for most early stage startups the cloud is a good move.
I'm at a loss in these discussions. I don't understand this developer-point-of-view. Can you specifically give me examples of why using a cloud provider is better for a startup than, for example, using a couple desktops in your garage? You can't say it's because of backups because the cloud doesn't provide a backup (unless you purchase an extra data backup solution with your cloud provider?). And correct me if i'm wr…
> Can you specifically give me examples of why using a cloud provider is better for a startup than, for example, using a couple desktops in your garage?
For us (a small three-man team), the full portfolio of AWS services lets us shove responsibility for some of our infrastructure off to Amazon, which saves us loads of time (EC2, ELB, S3, CloudFront, SQS, Route53, SES, and some light DynamoDB in our case). Even with their repeat EBS issues, we've engineered around the common failure points, and do so with a tiny number of self-managed VMs relative to our traffic. Even if we were to go down every few months, our hosted services do better than a one-man devops team could ever do on his own in his garage, or even in a co-lo. Though AWS is not expensive, we gladly pay up in order to focus on our own software. Sure beats hiring another person, in our case.
The common counter-argument is that if we managed it ourselves, that we'd have the ability to resolve outages on our own, because it'd be our responsibility. That is just the thing, we don't want it to be our responsibility, we've got one ops guy (me), and we need to be iterating on our product fast at this point. We'll instead plan for failure, design our architecture to continue operating under some degree of failure, and keep shipping.
Not to say that the "cloud" is a silver bullet. It's not. However, especially from the developer point of view, it lets our entire (tiny) team stay more focused on product development.
Addendum: I've managed servers in my basement, in co-lo, and in the "cloud". Each of these routes is more (or less) appropriate in various cases, but AWS has been a boon to our particular usage case.
Re: App Engine down
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
While the argument was perhaps coming on a bit too strong, it's hard to deny the ease of deployment on cloud services. It's probably a safe bet to say that for most early stage startups the cloud is a good move.
I'm at a loss in these discussions. I don't understand this developer-point-of-view. Can you specifically give me examples of why using a cloud provider is better for a startup than, for example, using a couple desktops in your garage? You can't say it's because of backups because the cloud doesn't provide a backup (unless you purchase an extra data backup solution with your cloud provider?). And correct me if i'm wr…
The Germans referred to a Schwerpunkt (focal point and also known as Schwerpunktprinzip or concentration principle) in the planning of operations; it was a center of gravity or point of maximum effort, where a decisive action could be achieved. Ground, mechanised and tactical air forces were concentrated at this point of maximum effort whenever possible. By local success at the Schwerpunkt, a small force achieved a breakthrough and gained advantages by fighting in the enemy's rear. It is summarized by Guderian as “Klotzen, nicht kleckern!” (literally "boulders, not blots" and means "act powerfully, not superficially"). [1]
For a product prototype, the initial primary goal is "get it online so that we can start validating our assumptions". System administration skills and in-house server administration teams are valuable but not necessary.
Re: App Engine down
#99The Google app engine page down as well!
Re: App Engine down
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm at a loss in these discussions. I don't understand this developer-point-of-view. Can you specifically give me examples of why using a cloud provider is better for a startup than, for example, using a couple desktops in your garage? You can't say it's because of backups because the cloud doesn't provide a backup (unless you purchase an extra data backup solution with your cloud provider?). And correct me if i'm wr…
The Germans referred to a Schwerpunkt (focal point and also known as Schwerpunktprinzip or concentration principle) in the planning of operations; it was a center of gravity or point of maximum effort, where a decisive action could be achieved. Ground, mechanised and tactical air forces were concentrated at this point of maximum effort whenever possible. By local success at the Schwerpunkt, a small force achieved a b…
This is a much more succinct explanation than my own. This is the point I was trying to make.
Even given that I have a good bit of sysadmin skills, I am needed more as a software developer right now in the early goings. I expect, as you've pointed out, that priorities will change with time and growth. We may even move to bare metal eventually, if we find ourselves needing and able to do so.
Excellent analogy.