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Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by porphyra »

freetime2 wrote: post #28

How long do chess players typically remain at their peak for? According to wikipedia, Magnus is currently 35. Is it impressive to be winning at 35? Would we expect to see his performance drop off in the next 5-10 years? Even if he is still capable mentally and physically, I would think the stress of training and competing at that level must get old after a while.

Anand reached world #1 ranking at 38, managed to win a world championship and defend the title for a decade in his late 40s, and remains in #13 in his 50s right now.

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by hibikir »

smnplk wrote: post #14

I think Nakamura didnt play this time because of his Candidates prep. Otherwise I think Nakamura would have a slight edge on Carlsen in this game.

It's a very short, 3 day event: You have Fabi sitting right there in second place, and I don't think anyone is more focused on the candidates than he is.

Hikaru is getting older too, and it shows: I don't think he has a freestyle edge at all.

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by traes »

simbleau wrote: post #31
freetime2 wrote: post #28

How long do chess players typically remain at their peak for? According to wikipedia, Magnus is currently 35. Is it impressive to be winning at 35? Would we expect to see his performance drop off in the next 5-10 years? Even if he is still capable mentally and physically, I would think the stress of training and competing at that level must get old after a while.

Is there really a decline with age when it comes to chess? I’m not sure he will really decline until he reaches his retirement age.

For some concrete numbers, there are only four players over 50 years of age in the top 100 at the moment by live ratings[0]. They are ranked #13 (age 56), #89 (age 53), #95 (age 54), and #97 (age 57). In their primes these players were ranked #1, #10, #4, and #3 respectively.

[0]: https://2700chess.com/?per-page=100

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by smt88 »

lethologica wrote: post #39
freetime2 wrote: post #28

How long do chess players typically remain at their peak for? According to wikipedia, Magnus is currently 35. Is it impressive to be winning at 35? Would we expect to see his performance drop off in the next 5-10 years? Even if he is still capable mentally and physically, I would think the stress of training and competing at that level must get old after a while.

Context helps. A lot of really strong players are 12 years old.

That context doesn't help me at all. Is a "really strong" 12yo in contention to win this particular competition that a 35yo won?

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by jacquesm »

simbleau wrote: post #31
freetime2 wrote: post #28

How long do chess players typically remain at their peak for? According to wikipedia, Magnus is currently 35. Is it impressive to be winning at 35? Would we expect to see his performance drop off in the next 5-10 years? Even if he is still capable mentally and physically, I would think the stress of training and competing at that level must get old after a while.

Is there really a decline with age when it comes to chess? I’m not sure he will really decline until he reaches his retirement age.

For most people there is a cognitive decline with age, and chess is clearly a cognitive effort. Like with everything else: experience really matters, but you will simply be a bit less sharp over time and in a game where a tiny mistake can compound to a loss it really matters.

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by mythz »

smnplk wrote: post #14

I think Nakamura didnt play this time because of his Candidates prep. Otherwise I think Nakamura would have a slight edge on Carlsen in this game.

Hikaru is either in a slump or his skill is starting to age: hasn't won Titled Tuesday since November, hasn't won Freestyle Friday this year, came last in Speed Chess Championship, etc.

We'll see how well he does in Candidates this year to see if he's still a top contender. Although I do believe this is his last chance to fight for the world title.

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by bmurphy1976 »

freetime2 wrote: post #28

How long do chess players typically remain at their peak for? According to wikipedia, Magnus is currently 35. Is it impressive to be winning at 35? Would we expect to see his performance drop off in the next 5-10 years? Even if he is still capable mentally and physically, I would think the stress of training and competing at that level must get old after a while.

Magnus is in uncharted territory here. We won't really know the answer to this question for quite some time.

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by traes »

bmacho wrote: post #13
295fge wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which confirms the point, right?

It's not chess but a variant. Maybe it has ~10-100 times less viewer base.

I suspect Magnus draws a similar level of attention regardless, it's probably closer to half the viewer base

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by TheRealPomax »

freetime2 wrote: post #28

How long do chess players typically remain at their peak for? According to wikipedia, Magnus is currently 35. Is it impressive to be winning at 35? Would we expect to see his performance drop off in the next 5-10 years? Even if he is still capable mentally and physically, I would think the stress of training and competing at that level must get old after a while.

You... should watch him stream. That'll pretty much answer your questions. Age is far less relevant to chess compared to keeping up with the current "meta" (in gamer parlance).

Re: Magnus Carlsen Wins the Freestyle (Chess960) World Championship

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Post by josephg »

Marsymars wrote: post #36
throwpoaster wrote: post #17

Do the engines have a similar edge in Fischer Random and regular chess?

I'd expect them to have a larger edge in chess960 because humans can't prep openings like in regular chess.

Do modern chess AIs do any form of opening prep? Like, do they bake any opening analysis into their engines? Or is it all pure search?
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