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Re: App Engine down

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Whoa did not expect to receive such negative feedback on this post. Was really looking for feedback from the community on a replacement. I'll post this elsewhere I guess.

Re: App Engine down

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It's time we remembered the whole strength of the internet was that it was distributed and we avoided introducing single points of failure. We have ended up using vast amounts of infrastructure for no reason other than developer convenience (often with respect to security), when having local direct connections is often more suitable than shooting everything into the cloud.

Re: App Engine down

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I think this is larger than just GAE. http://internettrafficreport.com/namerica.htm It seems like large portions of the internet are down.

only 51% of north american internet is working ?? Am i reading this correctly ?

As Ewantoo mentioned, ITR is pretty unreliable. We have found it works as a relative measure -- when their packet loss rises, we do indeed see consumer traffic fall, though usually not by the amount their graphs would indicate.

Re: App Engine down

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I'm really happy I don't host in the cloud. How quickly are the cost savings of cloud computing obliterated by PR, customer service, and system administration time when an outage like this occurs?

Surely hosting yourself exposes you to just as much, if not more risk? Problem in the datacentre where you're co-lo'd, or one of your servers blows up? I think people not trusting the cloud is similar to how people feel safer driving their cars then taking a plane. The stats say the plane's safer, but people prefer being in control. People like the idea of being in control of their servers, even if that means there's…

We're coloed across three datacenters spanning the US (one might be in TO I think) and if a datacenter were to go down, we have a hot backup that's no more than 12 hours stale.

The only real manual maintenance that we've got is a rolling reimaging of servers based on whatever's in version control, which usually takes a few hours twice a year, but we'd probably do that if we were in the cloud anyway.

When you can script away 90% of your system administration tasks, hosting in the cloud doesn't really make a ton of sense.

Re: App Engine down

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post #35
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I think this is larger than just GAE. http://internettrafficreport.com/namerica.htm It seems like large portions of the internet are down.

only 51% of north american internet is working ?? Am i reading this correctly ?

You're reading it correctly, it's just telling you the wrong thing.

51% of a very small self-selecting set of machines are down, mostly small businesses or home users which have obviously been shutdown or renamed.

If internettrafficreport automatically removed all devices which returned no results for 7 days, they'd be a slightly more useful resource.

Re: App Engine down

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It's really quite remarkable (to be honest, inexcusable is probably a better word) that their status page is failing as well. My expectations for a company with Google's resources and infrastructure are a lot higher than that. Nothing on their Twitter account either: https://twitter.com/app_engine A poor handling of a systems failure in my opinion.

If you subscribe to:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!forum...

They'll email you when issues occur and info becomes available.

It took about 30 minutes after the crash for me to receive an email which seems very reasonable.

Re: App Engine down

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Whoa did not expect to receive such negative feedback on this post. Was really looking for feedback from the community on a replacement. I'll post this elsewhere I guess.

I think the best place would be in an 'Ask HN' thread. I think the community felt your post was off topic- and that's why it was downvoted
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