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Windows 8 Arrives

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Re: Windows 8 Arrives

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post #153

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For your future reference, Microsoft offers virtual machines of XP, Vista, and 7 for browser compatibility testing. They expire after three months, but for your uses, they're fine. You'd just grab the VHD out of the VM and use any of the import tools to convert it to your preferred VM format. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=1157...

I've used these VMs and they are so infuriating I also want to just buy a full license. They're never able to validate, so they always nag you about "is your windows genuine?" (well I downloaded it from MS so I should hope so!) and shut down every half an hour. They're more trouble than they're worth.

From Microsoft's site http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=1157...

Note: You may be required to activate the OS as the product key has been deactivated. This is the expected behavior. The VHDs will not pass genuine validation. Immediately after you start the Windows 7 or Windows Vista images they will request to be activated. You can cancel the request and it will login to the desktop. You can activate up to two “rearms” (type slmgr –rearm at the command prompt) which will extend the trial for another 30 days each time OR simply shutdown the VPC image and discard the changes you’ve made from undo disks to reset the image back to its initial state. By doing either of these methods, you can technically have a base image which never expires although you will never be able to permanently save any changes on these images for longer than 90 days.

Re: Windows 8 Arrives

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post #52

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The Taskbar and Start Menu have worked so well in the past, why change? Perhaps the price might be a hint that it's worth less than previous versions..

For time and the world do not stand still. Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future.

And those who cannot remember the past (and only look to the future) are condemned to repeat it.

Re: Windows 8 Arrives

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post #22

I've been running Windows 8 since they release the RTM version to TechNet subscribers on my primary laptop (about a month now). Short version - outside of Metro it's basically Win7SP3 and it works great. Metro is every bit the usability disaster that people have claimed when not running on a touch screen. The good news is that you really don't have to interface much with Metro at all. It replaces the start menu, but…

You do the search->run thing but average joe user is not going to be doing it that way.

Oh I totally agree. It just so happens that the new start interface works well with my existing workflow, which I think is more of a coincidence then anything else. I can't imagine what the user experience is going to be like for somebody who actually expects to navigate through a tree of folders for their applications.

Re: Windows 8 Arrives

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post #22

I've been running Windows 8 since they release the RTM version to TechNet subscribers on my primary laptop (about a month now). Short version - outside of Metro it's basically Win7SP3 and it works great. Metro is every bit the usability disaster that people have claimed when not running on a touch screen. The good news is that you really don't have to interface much with Metro at all. It replaces the start menu, but…

> Metro is every bit the usability disaster that people have claimed when not running on a touch screen Is there a way to switch to 'Classic Desktop'?

The classic destkop is always there a click again in the start screen.

Re: Windows 8 Arrives

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post #195
post #129

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But in case of OEM Windows licence it is black and white, no? What would be peoples motivation to buy it for existing computer? * "It's sorta legal, it's at least some kind of a licence, right?" -- they're misinformed / tricked /fools * "I want to pay something, but retail costs too much" -- if you pay without getting anything useful in return, you're donating. Why not donate to charity? * "I want to get Windows Upda…

>* "I want to pay something, but retail costs too much" -- if you pay without getting anything useful in return, you're donating. Why not donate to charity? Because your sense of fair play says you've got something from MS so they, and not some random charity, deserve some of your money? Do you follow the same logic and donate to charity instead of tipping at restaurants?

It seems to me that many people treat software licences like physical goods in their minds.

The idea of buying a chef's knife from Victorinox for one price if it's to be used to chop vegetables and another if it's to be used to trim fat from steaks is absurd. You buy the knife at the lowest price it's offered and use it however you like.

Software licensing does include the ability to charge different prices for different usage scenarios, but violating those conditions doesn't strike most people as unethical while obtaining the software without paying seems similar to theft.

Re: Windows 8 Arrives

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post #6

Windows 8 Pro upgrade for $39 dollars ($15 for newer PCs). [1] That's... reasonable. I might consider buying a copy of Windows 8 Pro at that price and then waiting until it hits SP1 to install it. I might even spin up a VM to try it out. I like that the $39 upgrade applies to anyone with Windows XP, Windows Vista or Windows 7. I think they're realizing that a lot of people don't upgrade OS because they don't want to…

While the price is reasonable, if you'll try to install this in a VM, you'll need to install an older Windows first and start the Windows 8 installation from this older version ...

Re: Windows 8 Arrives

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post #159
post #46

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There is a grey area where you can have a Genuine copy of Windows that you paid for (and that can still Windows update) but was derived from an OEM license that was transferred to another machine. This is still desirable compared to torrenting because a pirated copy will end up failing the Genuine check, will no longer get updates, and will happily be a part of some botnet some day.

That was a lot of years back. And then MS declared it will auto update and patch every XP, genuine or not.

I really don't think it is a smart move to enable automatic upgrades on a pirated copy of Windows ...

Re: Windows 8 Arrives

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post #205
post #195

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>* "I want to pay something, but retail costs too much" -- if you pay without getting anything useful in return, you're donating. Why not donate to charity? Because your sense of fair play says you've got something from MS so they, and not some random charity, deserve some of your money? Do you follow the same logic and donate to charity instead of tipping at restaurants?

It seems to me that many people treat software licences like physical goods in their minds. The idea of buying a chef's knife from Victorinox for one price if it's to be used to chop vegetables and another if it's to be used to trim fat from steaks is absurd. You buy the knife at the lowest price it's offered and use it however you like. Software licensing does include the ability to charge different prices for diffe…

This is the same reason why the idea that you can't bequeath your iTunes purchases on death seems like lunacy to most people.

Purchased goods are purchased goods, and the idea that something is licensed with restrictions seems ridiculous to most people unless it's something upfront like a subscription that you are paying monthly fees to access.

Re: Windows 8 Arrives

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post #6

Windows 8 Pro upgrade for $39 dollars ($15 for newer PCs). [1] That's... reasonable. I might consider buying a copy of Windows 8 Pro at that price and then waiting until it hits SP1 to install it. I might even spin up a VM to try it out. I like that the $39 upgrade applies to anyone with Windows XP, Windows Vista or Windows 7. I think they're realizing that a lot of people don't upgrade OS because they don't want to…

While the price is reasonable, if you'll try to install this in a VM, you'll need to install an older Windows first and start the Windows 8 installation from this older version ...

That's true, but you only have to do it once.

Re: Windows 8 Arrives

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post #203

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You do the search->run thing but average joe user is not going to be doing it that way.

Oh I totally agree. It just so happens that the new start interface works well with my existing workflow, which I think is more of a coincidence then anything else. I can't imagine what the user experience is going to be like for somebody who actually expects to navigate through a tree of folders for their applications.

Navigating through a tree has been deprecated for a bit already, given how prominent Search is placed in the Start Menu and how the tree is confined to a little section instead of eventually (after a dozen levels) covering the whole screen. But there probably are still those that like that way.
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