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Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

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Post by micik »

atomic128 wrote: post #51

Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them. ... Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind. -- Frank Herbert, Dune You won't read, except the output of your LLM. You won't write, except prompts for your LLM. Why write code or prose when the machine can write it for you? You won't think or…

how about that 'ole speaking for yourself thing?

end of humanity announced, perhaps in 2027? buy the ticket, take the ride, do it again in 2028, thank you for your custom

Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

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Post by micik »

debo_ wrote: post #63
atomic128 wrote: post #51

Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them. ... Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind. -- Frank Herbert, Dune You won't read, except the output of your LLM. You won't write, except prompts for your LLM. Why write code or prose when the machine can write it for you? You won't think or…

If you read this through a synth, you too can record the intro vocal sample for the next Fear Factory album

i think im ok with HN becoming like reddit now that reddit has become like whatever it is

Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

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Post by frgturpwd »

samspot wrote: post #727
atomic128 wrote: post #51

Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them. ... Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind. -- Frank Herbert, Dune You won't read, except the output of your LLM. You won't write, except prompts for your LLM. Why write code or prose when the machine can write it for you? You won't think or…

I think we overestimate the amount of reading, writing, and thinking that occurred before LLMs.

Also, this was literally said about the technology of - what OP fantasizes as - "good ole pen and paper writing" at some point by vintage philosophers. Nothing new here.

Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

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Post by mlrtime »

CodeMage wrote: post #738
mlrtime wrote: post #658

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have taxes now though, how much is enough? Hint: The answer for the government is, it's never enough. "little bit of taxes" is never what we had. Seriously though, I wouldn't mind "little bit of taxes" if there were guaranteed ways to stop funding something when it's a failed experiment, which is difficult in government. Because "a little bit more" is always wanted.

Every time I hear an argument like this one, it's always phrased in terms of "the government is greedy and/or incompetent, therefore taxes are bad" and never in terms of "the government is greedy and/or incompetent, therefore our systems of controlling our government are not good enough".

I didn't actually say they are greedy or incompetent.

Government starts a new program and funds it with taxes. First, it is difficult to prove if the program is doing what it set out to do effectively. Second, there is 0 incentive to ever shut it down. The people working there don't want to, the group who started it also don't want to. The people funding it have 0 insight or say if it should continue.

Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

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Post by bluegatty »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #721
bluegatty wrote: post #667

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is wrong

It is not. I would suggest engaging in the other branch of this thread, because people who agreed with you voiced their opinion and they were proven utterly wrong. Humanity does not understand how LLMs work. This is definitive.

Completely wrong. I've worked in NLP/ML/AI for 2 decades. We don't know all of the countours and parameters, but we know how they work.

Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

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Post by Denkel »

jpadkins wrote: post #115
stego-tech wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

History paints a pretty clear picture of the tradeoff: * Profits now and violence later OR * Little bit of taxes now and accelerate easier Unfortunately we’ve developed such a myopic, “FYGM” society that it’s explicitly the former option for the time being.

Do you have a historical example of "Little bit of taxes now and accelerate easier"? I can't think of any.

Post World War II USA.

If that is not an example of how taxing rich people and investing in infrastructure can accelerate progress, then I don't what could be (with of course the caveat that those investments were focused in a specific group of people and not society as a whole).

Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

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Post by kpil »

nutjob2 wrote: post #241
kpil wrote: post #116

"... HBR found that companies are cutting [jobs] based on AI's potential, not its performance. I don't know who needs to hear this - a lot apparently - but the following three statements are not possible to validate but have unreasonably different effects on the stock market. * We're cutting because of expected low revenue. (Negative) * We're cutting to strengthen our strategic focus and control our operational costs…

> The hype is real. Will we see drastically reduced operational costs the coming years or will it follow the same curve as we've seen in productivity since 1750? There's a third possibility: slop driven productivity declines as people realize they took a wrong turn. Which makes me wonder: what is the best 'huge AI bust' trade?

I'm thinking that the slopocalypse is almost inevitable outside pure tech companies and can't be ruled out there either.

LLMs are a force multiplier. Clueless people will be able to produce tons of code that looks convincing but is totally misguided and misinformed. Exactly what large companies with complex in-house systems doesn't really need any more of.

Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

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Post by sph »

nine_k wrote: post #118
stego-tech wrote: post #28

This is delightfully unhinged, spending an amazing amount of time describing their model and citing their methodologies before getting to the meat of the meal many of us have been braying about for years: whether the singularity actually happens or not is irrelevant so much as whether enough people believe it will happen and act accordingly. And, yep! A lot of people absolutely believe it will and are acting accordin…

> * enough people believe it will happen and act accordingly* Here comes my favorite notion of "epistemic takeover". A crude form: make everybody believe that you have already won. A refined form: make everybody believe that everybody else believes that you have already won. That is, even if one has doubts about your having won, they believe that everyone else submit to you as a winner, and must act accordingly.

Searching on Kagi the keywords "epistemic takeover" only shows your HN comment, and an AI-generated blog post created the next day with a whole article about it.

The Internet died on a Tuesday.

Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

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Post by threethirtytwo »

bluegatty wrote: post #795
threethirtytwo wrote: post #721

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not. I would suggest engaging in the other branch of this thread, because people who agreed with you voiced their opinion and they were proven utterly wrong. Humanity does not understand how LLMs work. This is definitive.

Completely wrong. I've worked in NLP/ML/AI for 2 decades. We don't know all of the countours and parameters, but we know how they work.

I'm going to tell you the utter truth. If you worked in AI for 2 decades and you're saying you understand how they work. Then you are not an intelligent person and you're delusional. That's all you need to know. I'm not saying that to be insulting. Just facts.

Here's a video of Geoffrey Hinton, saying exactly what I am saying: https://youtube.com/shorts/zKM-msksXq0?si=exgk3rmVHRVzV37P This video, I hope, is a wake up call for you. I hope you realize the nonsense your spouting with confidence and backing it with 2 decades of "experience" makes you look like the opposite of a genius.

Here's my advice for you: you need to retire. Because you're saying things that don't make sense. You need to retire, go to the doctor and get yourself checked out.

Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

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Post by tituss »

Your audit is precise: the Singularity is simply the moment where system complexity permanently nullifies the 'primate interface'. But your analysis stalls at the mere observation of this dismantling. If we accept 100% determinism then the friction you feel from environmental inefficiency — it's nothing more than a compilation error in your own software. You see the 'truck' coming yet you continue to suffer from the inability to hit a brake that doesn't exist. When you utilize determinism as the working interface and focus as the primary tool the answer arrives of its own accord. This protocol is more fundamental than any silicon-based stack. How are you resolving the issue of objective-setting to avoid becoming mere entropic noise while waiting for your 'Tuesday'?"
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