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Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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What's so odd about all this is that lack of transparency why things fail was (is?) a huge issue in the Apple App Store process, and MS has had years to learn about what went wrong with the Apple process, and design around those issues. They seem to have baked those faults in to their own process. "We're backed up with submissions". WTF? They've been doing roadshows and having dev evangelists push the heck out of "de…

>MS has had years to learn about what went wrong with the Apple process, and design around those issues.

All that time spent learning about what and why Apple does what they do might have brought them to the conclusion that they ought to be doing the same thing.

Or maybe they're "backed up" while they take it all in, figure out what's crap and what's not crap, create a good initial sorting of non-crap -> crap, and then open the flood gates a little more.

You have to imagine that they've just suddenly become inundated by thousands (10s of thousands? More?) submissions and the majority of them will be awful crapware that needs to be sifted through. It takes a lot of time I'm sure -- I don't care how many people you put on staff.

Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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Most of the rejections were due to problems with your app.

We have found the Microsoft team and review process to be excellent - far better than anything we have experienced before.

They go beyond the call of duty to help developers get their app onto the store and even give some great feedback on how the app could be even better.

I guess it depends on who you deal with, but our personal experience in releasing our edutainment app called Magic Math ( http://apps.microsoft.com/webpdp/en-us/app/magic-math/ba5eb1... ) was fantastic.

Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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I can relate a bit about this article and the Windows Store submission process - I have been using it since the end of July. The requirements mentioned in the post (1.2, 3.2, 3.8, etc.) are part of a big document that tries to clearly outline what an app should and shouldn't do. They are defined rather well, but sometimes will leave you wandering what the hell is going on.

I submitted an HTML app that was accepted, then after some minor changes failed validation the second time I submitted it. The problem was "Requirement 3.2: The app crashes", however, nothing I changed could cause a crash. I resubmitted the app with a bumped version and no other changes and it passed validation the second time.

This led me to believe that MS are either still fixing bugs in the certification process or that my app ended up on a faulty test device that crashed. Still, I would LOVE IT if MS provided actual stack trace or other useful information if a crash occurs.

The biggest problem with the Store right now is the time it takes to pass a new release. In the last couple of days the Microsoft built-in applications (video, finance, sports) have been updated multiple times, but my last submission took 5 days to pass the Content Compliance step. If Microsoft wants more apps in the Store, they need to scale up their review/certification infrastructure and team.

Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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Easy Don't waste your time with MS (or Apple, or anyone for that matter) They already cost more of your time than you can make back. Typical MS thinking all you need is a shallow copy of something to be successful. Oh well, it worked for them a couple of times.

Perhaps the Windows 8 Store is a "shallow copy" of the Mac/iOS App Store.

But the Windows 8 experience as a whole certainly isn't.

Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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post #13

I can relate a bit about this article and the Windows Store submission process - I have been using it since the end of July. The requirements mentioned in the post (1.2, 3.2, 3.8, etc.) are part of a big document that tries to clearly outline what an app should and shouldn't do. They are defined rather well, but sometimes will leave you wandering what the hell is going on. I submitted an HTML app that was accepted, t…

At the very least, the debug console output as a text file would be helpful, no?

Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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post #12

Most of the rejections were due to problems with your app. We have found the Microsoft team and review process to be excellent - far better than anything we have experienced before. They go beyond the call of duty to help developers get their app onto the store and even give some great feedback on how the app could be even better. I guess it depends on who you deal with, but our personal experience in releasing our e…

> Most of the rejections were due to problems with your app

Agree, and the article seems to acknowledge this. Seems that the feedback wasn't detailed enough, though.

I'd be interested to know if you found the feedback to be better, and theories about the causes of the disparity if that is the case?

Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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There are 2 big problems with the Windows Store submission right now:

- it takes a LOT of time to get a answer. From my experience it took 2 weeks (working days) until i got a answer back.

- they don't list at first submission ALL of the reasons for which the app "fails". This leads to the following cycle : submit app, wait 2 weeks to get rejected for lame reasons, fix issue in couple hours, submit again, wait 2 weeks etc

Hopefully things will improve in the near future but right now trying to get a app into Windows Store is a pretty long and annoying process.

Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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post #9

What's so odd about all this is that lack of transparency why things fail was (is?) a huge issue in the Apple App Store process, and MS has had years to learn about what went wrong with the Apple process, and design around those issues. They seem to have baked those faults in to their own process. "We're backed up with submissions". WTF? They've been doing roadshows and having dev evangelists push the heck out of "de…

Did you ever try to submit to the Apple app store? All the stories I see about rejections come from sometimes strange reasonings but it's actually always transparent why they rejected an App. I had the same experience with my one app, there was one objection because of some new in-app purchase policy but it was well described in the rejection report and I knew exactly what to do. It seems like the MS store fails at an even earlier reason: Not telling you what actually went wrong.

Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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post #9

What's so odd about all this is that lack of transparency why things fail was (is?) a huge issue in the Apple App Store process, and MS has had years to learn about what went wrong with the Apple process, and design around those issues. They seem to have baked those faults in to their own process. "We're backed up with submissions". WTF? They've been doing roadshows and having dev evangelists push the heck out of "de…

>MS has had years to learn about what went wrong with the Apple process, and design around those issues. All that time spent learning about what and why Apple does what they do might have brought them to the conclusion that they ought to be doing the same thing. Or maybe they're "backed up" while they take it all in, figure out what's crap and what's not crap, create a good initial sorting of non-crap -> crap, and th…

"All that time spent learning about what and why Apple does what they do might have brought them to the conclusion that they ought to be doing the same thing."

I fear that conclusion.

But, really... concluding that courting developers pissed off with an arbitrary opaque process by giving them the same arbitrary opaque process makes sense to ... who?

"You have to imagine that they've just suddenly become inundated by thousands (10s of thousands? More?) submissions and the majority of them will be awful crapware that needs to be sifted through. "

But... they've had more than a year to prepare for it, they need people to want to write for this platform (ios/android still have a the lion's mindshare), and MS is one of the few companies that could afford (financially) to make this experience better than it has. Stop the dividend payouts for a few quarters and use that money to beef up what they seem to be saying is the new direction of the company.

Re: Windows 8 Doesn’t Want Your App. Try Again Later

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post #13

I can relate a bit about this article and the Windows Store submission process - I have been using it since the end of July. The requirements mentioned in the post (1.2, 3.2, 3.8, etc.) are part of a big document that tries to clearly outline what an app should and shouldn't do. They are defined rather well, but sometimes will leave you wandering what the hell is going on. I submitted an HTML app that was accepted, t…

At the very least, the debug console output as a text file would be helpful, no?

BTW they give you reports, but only if the crash was in an already approved app that is in the Store[1]. My point was that such information should be available during the certification process as well.

[1] http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windowsstore/archive/2012/06/27/impr...

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