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Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

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Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

#71

I support that. If you tried doing the inverse, for example, migrate to an Islamic country and bring over Christianity there, you would not be welcomed at all. I’m an expat and one thing I’ve learned is to integrate myself with the culture of the country that adopted me, I believe this shows respect and that I am aligned with its values and principles.

The majority of Swiss immigrants come from Italy, Germany, Portugal, France Kosovo, and Spain.

Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

#72

I support that. If you tried doing the inverse, for example, migrate to an Islamic country and bring over Christianity there, you would not be welcomed at all. I’m an expat and one thing I’ve learned is to integrate myself with the culture of the country that adopted me, I believe this shows respect and that I am aligned with its values and principles.

> migrate to an Islamic country and bring over Christianity there, you would not be welcomed at all

That sounds a lot like what us Europeans did in North Africa not that long ago. We were indeed not welcomed.

Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

#73
post #71

I support that. If you tried doing the inverse, for example, migrate to an Islamic country and bring over Christianity there, you would not be welcomed at all. I’m an expat and one thing I’ve learned is to integrate myself with the culture of the country that adopted me, I believe this shows respect and that I am aligned with its values and principles.

The majority of Swiss immigrants come from Italy, Germany, Portugal, France Kosovo, and Spain.

> Kosovo

Technically a muslim majority country but likely not what OP ment.

Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

#74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please elaborate and send me the link to the relevant www.parlament.ch docs :)

Let’s pretend it’s within the constitution. How are they going to enforce this? For baby 10M+1 are they going to tell a Swiss woman that she can’t have a baby? In any case, this is definitely not conformant to the treaty that the Swiss have with the EU around rights of free movement.

You need impeccable timing if you want a baby. Make sure grandma falls down the stairs first otherwise the baby will be exiled to Liechtenstein.

Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

#75
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Commenting about downvotes usually does not help, but maybe they came because you said rents in cities are higher while I spoke of a place outside cities? Don't take it too serious would be my advice, downvotes also sometimes happen by accident with a big thump on touchscreen.

Sure, I was just surprised :) Its an online community and we should not put any attention in those, but I know the german situation very well, plus their current economic downturn

Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

#76
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A huge majority of foreign residents in Switzerland come from Christian countries, so I don’t know what your point is.

Why is this down voted? I live in Switzerland(not from here, migrated) and this vote is not specifically against muslims.

...because you are on HN.... ;-)

Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

#77
This just makes no sense, because before all why 10 million? There is no scientific or proven reason for this number by the proposing party. The SVP position paper is 38 pages of cherry-picked stats but nowhere do they demonstrate why 10 million is the breaking point rather than 9.5 or 11. It is a round number chosen for a slogan.

The Federal Council's official message to Parliament dismantles the whole thing. Real GDP per capita grew 0.82 percent annually between 2002 and 2022, comparable to Norway, Austria, and Denmark. EU and EFTA nationals are net contributors to Swiss social insurance, paying significantly more into AVS, AI, and APG than they receive back.

The SVP frames asylum seekers as the most urgent part of the problem, but recognized refugees make up about 1 percent of total residents. Meanwhile 64 percent of net migration in 2024 came from EU and EFTA countries, overwhelmingly people filling jobs. This is not an asylum crisis, it is labor migration the Swiss economy actively demands.

The initiative would likely require denouncing the ECHR, the Geneva Refugee Convention, and other human rights treaties to hit an arbitrary number. The guillotine clause means killing free movement also kills Schengen and Dublin. And the Federal Council already negotiated a safeguard clause with the EU that allows limiting immigration in justified cases without blowing up the entire bilateral relationship. That is a scalpel.

This initiative is a sledgehammer aimed at a number someone picked because it fits on a poster.

Sorry, not sorry, but facts don't care about feelings.

Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

#78
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest during WWII, Switzerland was surrounded by the Nazis. Literally. On all sides, and learned a harsh lesson on not just the importance of military readiness but also economic resilience. So they took what they could get.

Switzerland is the best munitioned country on earth, because: After military service, most people keep their guns and are forced to yearly practicing (or loosing the gun) etc. - they are battle-ready every time. Plus: they are the only(!) country on earth who could offer bunker protection to 95%+ of society in case of war.

That’s just not true at all. Even if 100% of the population keeps 2x guns at home, at 9.5M people that would mean 19M guns. The US has more than 20x that many owned by civilians.

Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

#79
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"Anti foreigner sentiment"? Dear NYT, try to find an apartment in the EU or Switzerland. At best, you will get a furnished (to circumvent rent caps), overpriced 30 square meter dump that takes up 40% of your net salary. Once that problem is solved, we can talk about "sentiments".

So what you are saying is that these places have not built enough housing. That sounds like the actual problem, not the population size.

“We will do literally anything to make housing more affordable except build more of it.”

Forget where I first saw that but it’s absolutely true.

The left will try rent control, subsidies, taxes and prohibitions against speculation, banning AirBnB, etc. The right will try mass deportations and population caps.

Nobody will build more housing because that would work, and home owners are incentivized not to do anything that would work, and homeowners vote in much larger numbers.

The problem won’t be solved until renters out vote homeowners and until everyone who wants more affordable housing stops advocating the solutions that will not work.

Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

#80

This just makes no sense, because before all why 10 million? There is no scientific or proven reason for this number by the proposing party. The SVP position paper is 38 pages of cherry-picked stats but nowhere do they demonstrate why 10 million is the breaking point rather than 9.5 or 11. It is a round number chosen for a slogan. The Federal Council's official message to Parliament dismantles the whole thing. Real G…

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