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Poll: Atheist, Deist, Theist?

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Re: Poll: Atheist, Deist, Theist?

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so, to be clear, you noticed that pandora's box is closed and you figure it would be good to open it?

As long as Pandora's Box comes in the form of a poll and defined carefully within some scope of intelligence, this case it's HN, then I say go ahead and open it; the people of the community are always the ones that make-up whatever it's contents are, which are always interesting nonetheless.

I'm sorry I have to disagree with the fundamental assumption of your argument.

Polls like this one attract new people and change the community.

Any one article will not profoundly change HN, but a steady stream will over time do just that.

And then HN will not be interesting any more.

Re: Poll: Atheist, Deist, Theist?

#23
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These results, at least so far (ath=16, dei=4, the=5), are encouraging. I know you'd expect to see less religion in a science and tech community, but I've never seen anything beyond my group of friends, even in the scientific community, where atheists outnumber theists. I'm sometimes split between the views that religion is harmless and comforting for those who believe and should just be left alone, versus every serv…

Religion has been part of society since the days of pre-human hominids. It does not exist solely because of belief. I am willing to bet that few Greeks literally believed that a god carried the sun across the sky in a chariot. Rather, religion fulfills many cultural and social functions that our increasingly secular world has not yet found good substitutes for.

I went to church on Christmas to hear some carols, and I was struck by the fact that I was actually surrounded by people from different age groups and with different life experience from myself. The younger folk helped out the old when they got sick, and the older folk helped the people with little children when they needed a sitter. This kind of social cohesion doesn't exist in secular society, where I spend 99% of my time surrounded by people within a five-year age interval. If you want to explain the frequency of religious belief, you would be wise to look more towards the social functions that it fulfills, and less at its intellectual arguments.

There was an interesting post on here the other day, which was dead-ed, about this very topic. See here:

http://commentlog.org/bid/4527/Myth-and-Cult-How-atheists-mi...

Re: Poll: Atheist, Deist, Theist?

#24
Count me as an agnostic theist. I believe that there has to be something or someone responsible for our existence, and this entity is therefore at least minimally interested in the progress of our population, and that we simply lack the ability to fully comprehend how the universe works within the confines of our existence. Whether this relates directly to the Christian God that I was raised to believe in is not within my power to understand.

I find it far simpler that some entity has created our existence as it is, rather than our existence merely having spawned from a nothingness for no reason and by no creator.

I also know that this also pulls in the argument of "if our universe was created by an entity, then who or what created that entity?" To that I simply say point to my initial belief that there is likely a proper explanation for both the entity and our existence, but that it is beyond our capability to comprehend or reason about it.

Re: Poll: Atheist, Deist, Theist?

#25
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I am agnostic, so I can't vote, apparently.

The difference between 'without knowing' and 'without a god' is marginal (given the context of the poll/thread), so do the math. . .cast your ballot.

Conflating epistemology and metaphysics is never a good idea.

Re: Poll: Atheist, Deist, Theist?

#26
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I wonder how many atheists are actually agnostics (depend on your definitions, naturally). No one can (yet?) prove the existence or non-existence of a god, and although there are some who claim that they can show that a god isn't necessary for all of this reality stuff to have come about (read: Dawkins), I am less convinced of that -- we (via science) don't know enough to make that argument. Yet. Are you sure there i…

So because one cannot disprove X, then "the whole universe is X"?

Re: Poll: Atheist, Deist, Theist?

#27
If I cared, I'd be on the atheism subreddit right now. But I don't, and that's why I'm here, learning about tech. I hesitate to say this, but let's stay on topic. The atheism subreddit can be so vitriolic and it would be a shame to foster that here, not that this poll in and of itself does that.

Re: Poll: Atheist, Deist, Theist?

#28
post #4

I think it is because we realize the futility of arguing about religion and stay clear. Also, news.yc tends to be more respectful of people in general; just as you won't attack a person on their beliefs in the real world, you won't do so here. edit: Not to mention such discussion is actually off-topic.

The guidelines of hacker news say that any topic that piques one's intellectual curiosity is allowable. In that light, I am disappointed that the moderators have decided to mark dead anything that has to do with religion, since Hacker News is one of the few sites where the populace has the intellectual maturity to handle the topic. For example, there was a recent high-quality comment thread on a religious topic that got my synapses firing (you might need show dead on to see it):

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=469620

Now the article was admittedly of low quality compared to the discussion, so maybe that is why it was dead-ed. Then again, maybe pg just fears that allowing religious topics will eventually erode the overall quality of Hacker News. Dead-ing topics is certainly his prerogative. However, I would prefer that he make such policies explicit.

As something that is part of the life of most people on earth, it seems to me that we ought to try to understand religion if we also want to understand our customers, bosses, relatives, and leaders. It seems to me that an intelligent study of religion should be undertaken by any intellectually curious human.

Re: Poll: Atheist, Deist, Theist?

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This is the stupidest thing you've ever posted and you should be ashamed of yourself. There are plenty of other sites where you can wallow in junior-high level discussion and polls about off topic subjects. These types of posts encourage stupid people to comment, contain no useful or interesting information, and bring out the worst in smart people.

The religion and "meta" discussions of late have polluted the /newcomments link to the point where it is almost useless. The lame thing is that even if the post is marked dead, you still get the inane discussion from the bozos who don't know or don't care that the original post is dead.

My suggestions for technical improvements are removing comments on dead posts from newcomments and raising the karma for posting topics about religion to 10000+.

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