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Re: Meetup.com kills Vim London without warning

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There's a ripe market opportunity for a free or significantly cheaper alternative to Meetup, unless I'm unaware of a competitive one that already exists. $12/month is absurd for what amounts to a BB service with a handful of social networking features.

As a user of meetup.com - not an organiser - I like the $12/month.

It keeps pretty much all of the casual spammers out. It keeps the quality of meetups high since the organisers have to put a little skin in the game - but no so much skin to prevent even small groups using the service.

I can remember when they didn't charge. The service was worse.

For those who've not read it already, take a look at this story of when meetup decided to start charging decided to start charging http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2751-scott-heiferman-looks-ba...

Re: Meetup.com kills Vim London without warning

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what's wrong with preferring low-average learning curve text editors?

low average learning curve : high average learning curve radio flyer : motorcycle

Or car : motorcycle, depending on why the learning curve is low/high.

Re: Meetup.com kills Vim London without warning

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Organizing a meetup and then using the first meeting to promote your own commercial product is bound to raise some flags at meetup.org. And I'm really glad it does, otherwise we'd be inundated with meetup spam as every product launch creates a group on meetup.org for the free publicity. I really like Drew Neil's work on vimcasts, but he goofed here and didn't really think it through. I suspect that if he resubmits th…

The feedback I got from Meetup.com was that:

> the lack of content in your description looked suspicious. Generally speaking, we are known for reaching out to Meetup Groups when the content posted in the group description is unclear. In your case, the content may have been very sparse, but your motive was super clear: "Fans of Vim, the text editor". It's a shame that one of the most clearly defined Meetup Groups ended up setting off an alarm.

The fact that I mentioned Practical Vim had nothing to do with our account being closed down.

By the way, meetup didn't turn down our original request to set up the group. The Vim London group had been established for about 10 days before it was closed down, and we had around 50 members.

Re: Meetup.com kills Vim London without warning

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If meetup.com isn't willing to have at least a SINGLE exchange of emails prior to killing your group, they don't deserve your business, or anyone else's. That's just lazy, period. A "specialist" shouldn't be able to close a group without following a procedure. A single opinion is not a procedure.

Re: Meetup.com kills Vim London without warning

#36
post #21

They're probably Emacs users

It could be worse. They could be nano users. Edit: I ment this a joke on the war of Vim vs Emacs vs the world. I guess it didn't come out that way.

Nano is actually quite powerful. Check out the nanorc manfile for all the options, and /usr/share/nano for the various supported languages and fileformats.

Nano provides syntax highlighting, auto indentation, and multiple buffers.

It's kinda funny that Nano is so easy to use people never bother to look into actually configuring it, unlike Emacs which has consumed my entire workflow.

Re: Meetup.com kills Vim London without warning

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I'm going to make a plug for Calagator here. https://github.com/calagator/calagator Calagator is an open-source community calendar project created for the tech community in Portland, OR. Here it is in action: http://calagator.org/ It's a straight-forward Rails app (2.3.5/1.8.7 last I checked) I'm not on the team that created it, I'm just a fan. I customized and deployed it for a project last year and it was pretty ea…

More than just a straight-forward Rails app, it's been cleaned up so that a Heroku/etc. deployment is hassle-free! I spent some time in the Portland tech community and Calagator made the experience much nicer than Meetup.com ever has in my default tech environment of Seattle.

Re: Meetup.com kills Vim London without warning

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post #5

There's a ripe market opportunity for a free or significantly cheaper alternative to Meetup, unless I'm unaware of a competitive one that already exists. $12/month is absurd for what amounts to a BB service with a handful of social networking features.

Lanyrd should do it.

Re: Meetup.com kills Vim London without warning

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I'm going to make a plug for Calagator here. https://github.com/calagator/calagator Calagator is an open-source community calendar project created for the tech community in Portland, OR. Here it is in action: http://calagator.org/ It's a straight-forward Rails app (2.3.5/1.8.7 last I checked) I'm not on the team that created it, I'm just a fan. I customized and deployed it for a project last year and it was pretty ea…

Thanks for the link to Calagator. I have been looking for any sort of open source alternative to meetup and had not found anything. I really don't understand why there isn't anything comparable that is open source already. I've seen a few other software as a service companies that basically just mimic meetup's business model, but I am especially interested in seeing an open source alternative to meetup.

Installing software on a VPS is close enough to "putting a little skin in the game" and having any sort of social marketing strategy of your own takes real effort even if someone is not getting paid for doing it. The only compelling reasons for using meetup seem to be the marketing association to the meetup name and that there isn't any other comparable software that is primarily focused on face to face meetings.

It seems to me like meetup has its hands full with the magnitude of hosting so many organizations and having a smaller install base from an open source project would eliminate the scaling complexity and allow an open source project to not only compete as a cheaper alternative, but also innovate in ways meetup can't. There are so many features that I don't understand why meetup hasn't built into their site, especially since they are making money from every organization that is hosted on their site.

There are so many other methods of advertizing outside of Meetup that I don't think that using Meetup is the greatest marketing tool ever. If I were trying to organize a group of people, I don't know that I would especially want to target other people who already use meetup for other meetings. I would rather recruit on the basis of whatever the focus of the organization is. There is a lot of scarcity of meetups outside of major cities too. It is sort of like Craigslist in that regard. I think it would be especially compelling to launch a site around a given community and use that brand to promote meetings, sort of like how people use ravelry to communicate with fellow knitters.

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