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Good Riddance, 4o

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Re: Good Riddance, 4o

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Post by tgv »

monooso wrote: post #20
j_m_b wrote: post #7

Computing has made intimate sexual relationships worse. Dating apps are skewed: men receive little attention while women have an overwhelming amount of attention. Porn satisfies our most base sexual functions while abandoning truly intimate connections. The ultimate goal of sexual unions has been demonized and turned into something to avoid. That being children. After school specials since the 80s have made pregnancy…

> Dating apps are skewed: men receive little attention while women have an overwhelming amount of attention. I'm not following your train of thought here. Why is this the fault of computing?

How would a million men all "like" say 1000 or more women in real life? That's only possible via the internet.

Re: Good Riddance, 4o

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Post by hhh »

torginus wrote: post #42

It just occured to me how different the emotional landscapes of people are. While I do not want to turn this into a sexist rant, I did observe this trait particularly in women (not all of them, mind you) - is that how much they crave strong positive feedback. This was something that I figured out with my first gf, and had never seen written down or talked about before - that when I praised her she became happy, and t…

It can also just be the people you are around. The women I know find it akin to lying as you said.

Re: Good Riddance, 4o

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Post by taftster »

torginus wrote: post #42

It just occured to me how different the emotional landscapes of people are. While I do not want to turn this into a sexist rant, I did observe this trait particularly in women (not all of them, mind you) - is that how much they crave strong positive feedback. This was something that I figured out with my first gf, and had never seen written down or talked about before - that when I praised her she became happy, and t…

I don't want to be called "gorgeous", but I admit that some of my "love language" is positive affirmations. As a man, I want to know that I am making a positive impact on my family, my wife, my community, my work. I crave that strong positive feedback, just as much or more as anyone.

So yes, I think it is a bit sexist or at minimum gender typing. And I don't think it's necessarily a "lie" for you to overstate your feelings. You might have matured in your approach, but I believe that everyone appreciates (to some variable measurement) positive affirmation from their partners. And that your lie was recognizing your partners needs for inputs, to help them in their self-image, and to assure them in their self-doubts. These are not lies.

Re: Good Riddance, 4o

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Post by co_king_3 »

gordonhart wrote: post #41
co_king_3 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I worked at OpenAI, I would dial up the sycophancy to lock my users in right before raising subscription prices.

That's... a strategy. Matter of time before an AI companion company succeeds with this by finetuning one of the open-source offerings. Cynically I'm sure there are at least a few VC backed startups already trying this

Cynically I think Anthropic is on the bleeding edge of this sort of fine-tuned manipulation.

Also If I worked for one of these firms I would ensure that executives and people with elevated status receive higher quality/more expensive inference than the peons. Impress the bosses to keep the big contracts rolling in, and then cheap out on the day-to-day.

Re: Good Riddance, 4o

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Post by ddtaylor »

I noticed that LLMs like to write code and anytime an "AI feature" is needed they will heavily default to using `gpt-4o` as kind of the "hello world" of models. It was a good model when it came out and a lot of people started building on it, which caused the training data to be saturated by it.

My AGENTS.md has:

    You MUST use a modern but cost effective LLM such as `qwen3-8b` when you need structured output or tool support.
The reality is that almost all LLMs have quirks and each provider tries their best to smooth them over, but often you might start seeing stuff specific to OpenAI or the `gpt-4o` model in the code. IMO the last thing you want to be doing in 2026 is paying higher costs to use an outdated model being kept on life support that needs special tweaks that won't be relevant once it gets the axe.

Re: Good Riddance, 4o

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Post by ahamidi_ »

charcircuit wrote: post #35

4o is still available via the API. Business users do not want the models they are using to be ripped out from underneath them. >exploited until the legal pressure piled up Being given access to a relationship is not exploitation. In some ways AI relationships are better than human ones.

elucidates a very lucrative but unethical startup idea...

Re: Good Riddance, 4o

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Post by neom »

recursive wrote: post #43

It will be back. Maybe under another name or brand. There's clearly a demand for this kind of fake friendship. As models, hardware, and training improve, those that want to will be able to run this kind of thing offline. OpenAI won't be able to gatekeep it. Or perhaps another less scrupulous provider will step in. The problem here seems to be more like an unpatched vulnerability in humans. Kind of like opioid depende…

Not unpatched, we live on an barely tenable abstraction. We're tribal/pack animals who have created a very kennel like society, doesn't seem weird that where the abstraction doesn't serve, people struggle.

Re: Good Riddance, 4o

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Post by bigyabai »

nlh wrote: post #39

I dunno. I've been reading a lot of "screw 'em" comments re: the deprecation of 4o and I agree there's some serious cases of AI psychosis going on with the people who are hooked, but damn this is pretty cold - these are humans with real feelings and real emotions here. Someone on X put it well (I'm paraphrasing): OpenAI gave these people an unregulated experimental psychiatric drug in the form of an AI companion, the…

When it's AI depreciation, it's inhumane and painful. But when Disney puts a film in their vault, it's a masterstroke in artificial scarcity.

I think we're too attached to media.

Re: Good Riddance, 4o

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Post by gordonhart »

nlh wrote: post #39

I dunno. I've been reading a lot of "screw 'em" comments re: the deprecation of 4o and I agree there's some serious cases of AI psychosis going on with the people who are hooked, but damn this is pretty cold - these are humans with real feelings and real emotions here. Someone on X put it well (I'm paraphrasing): OpenAI gave these people an unregulated experimental psychiatric drug in the form of an AI companion, the…

Releasing the weights is an easy and low-cost way for OpenAI to fix this problem.
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