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Re: Show HN: I speak 5 languages. Common apps taught me none. So I built lairner

#11

I watched the demo. It looks like a clone of duolingo. Can you do a better job of explaining how this is different? What features does it have that duo doesn't. How does the app push you to those features vs just falling into the same pattern as duo? You say you learned Turkish with lairner. What level of fluency did you achieve? Are you able to take in native content with full comprehension? Edit: I'm not trying to…

> Are you able to take in native content with full comprehension?

Only a very small percentage of people that learn a language that is not their native language can achieve that.

Re: Show HN: I speak 5 languages. Common apps taught me none. So I built lairner

#13

70 languages from one guy? Was this vibe-coded?

Almost certainly, but that’s no reason to immediately discount it.

I'm less worried about the "vibe coded" than "vibe-language-learning"

Though I do think there is vast potential for such things, it needs to be approached judiciously.

Re: Show HN: I speak 5 languages. Common apps taught me none. So I built lairner

#15
I gave a go with a less popular language. This is a clone of Duolingo from the first glance, and does not place you into a correct level after examination.

Funny vibe code glitche in how an excersirce gives away the answer in a transaction of each question.

Re: Show HN: I speak 5 languages. Common apps taught me none. So I built lairner

#16
> I learned Turkish with lairner itself

Honest question, how? If this is a side project so you're presumably the person making the courses, and you didn't speak Turkish before, how did you make a course that taught yourself Turkish?

> We work together with some institutes of endangered languages to be able to teach them on our platform.

I assume this is how? Are you a platform for these institutions to provide Duolingo-style language courses? Can you possibly provide more details on who these orgs are?

Re: Show HN: I speak 5 languages. Common apps taught me none. So I built lairner

#18
Hi "Tim", are you aware that this is fraud? That this app doesn't help anyone?

How do you prevent gullible users from wasting their time and money on the app rather than learning languages?

From your testimonial that you learned Turkish do you at all mean to imply that a user of your app will have a higher chance of learning Turkish than if they didn't use the app vs say a conversation partner?

Why sell an ineffective product when a more effective one is free?

To quote you "I'm not going to pretend this replaces living in a country or having a conversation partner." This sounds like you believe a simple telephone call is superior to your app. If so why create it? Did you consciously decide to pray on socially anxious people or are you just following other apps blindly?

Re: Show HN: I speak 5 languages. Common apps taught me none. So I built lairner

#19
Something strange I noticed with the Malayalam course (maybe also other languages with a non-Latin script): when a word is shown, two Latin transliterations are shown underneath. The second one looks like an IAST or ISO-15919 transliteration. The first one is often wrong and sometimes even nonsensical. Why not have only the second transliteration?

Re: Show HN: I speak 5 languages. Common apps taught me none. So I built lairner

#20
A couple points based on 10 minutes of trying:

1. I selected "advanced level" for my target language. I expected real sentence. Instead I got a lot of "I am American" and "He is tall" type sentences.

2. In some cases when I was asked to select the word to complete the sentence, multiple options could be correct, but only one was recognized as correct by the program. Concretely, the format was "He is ______" and the possible solutions were "that" "Indian" "American" "comes from" and "French". Three of those options are perfectly grammatical, but only "French" was marked correct.

3. No offense, but this all has the hallmarks of AI slop, which I consider to not be an appropriate way to develop language learning tools, especially at an above-beginner level. Each language has different structures and complications and requires attention to different aspects of the language.

4. Above all, this app does not appear to differ from Duolingo in any substantial way, except that it's worse. If you're going to boast that your app is better than Duolingo, you should substantiate that with a concrete argument. Certainly Duolingo is highly flawed, above all in its total absence of formal grammar instruction which is something that even an AI-generated app should be able to do.

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