This is the right thing to do. When you want security, you have to first decide what the threat is. It seems that consumers are discovering that Corporate Surveillance is a threat, and they are right.
Ring owners are returning their cameras
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Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras
#212This news article boils down to "a few people on reddit did something", which is interesting. But we know reddit and HN are definitely not mainstream. Is this hurting Amazon? No, it is not. As long as they're honouring return requests freely, you know that the number of returns is within their accepted levels of distressed inventory. If it's getting into uncomfortable territory, they'll start rate limiting people by…
I'd agree on /r/FlockSurveillance/ specifically, but if Reddit itself does not qualify as "mainstream", then what does? Just FANG?
My guess is that it is more: the people that are concerned are posting about it. And those that aren't, aren't.
So you are just seeing a biased subset of the (relatively) mainstream reddit.
Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras
#213This news article boils down to "a few people on reddit did something", which is interesting. But we know reddit and HN are definitely not mainstream. Is this hurting Amazon? No, it is not. As long as they're honouring return requests freely, you know that the number of returns is within their accepted levels of distressed inventory. If it's getting into uncomfortable territory, they'll start rate limiting people by…
I'd agree on /r/FlockSurveillance/ specifically, but if Reddit itself does not qualify as "mainstream", then what does? Just FANG?
Reddit is filled with very vocal terminally online people. Their views and actions are not representative of normal human beings.
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#215This news article boils down to "a few people on reddit did something", which is interesting. But we know reddit and HN are definitely not mainstream. Is this hurting Amazon? No, it is not. As long as they're honouring return requests freely, you know that the number of returns is within their accepted levels of distressed inventory. If it's getting into uncomfortable territory, they'll start rate limiting people by…
It’s interesting how internet backlashes can be large enough to move the needle: ring breaking with flock is evidence of this.
Yet simultaneously the internet represents the opinions of a very small and vocal minority.
I’ve never seen an internet boycott have an impact.
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#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook alone is far more mainstream than Reddit, I would say. Thousands of times more.
We can just look at both's recent reports: Reddit: 121 million "daily active unique users" Source: https://investor.redditinc.com/news-events/news-releases/new... Facebook: 3.58 billion "family daily active people" Source: https://investor.atmeta.com/investor-news/press-release-deta... --- I'd definitely consider both "mainstream". (I know plenty non-tech and "normal" people who use reddit.)
So like 30x the population (not thousands).
The thing about Reddit is it really amplifies voices. 10-100 people can be on the same subreddit and comment or post something, and it looks like “a lot” of people.
It’s also much easier to be a non-representative sample at 3% of the population than 50%. And, there’s a big sample bias for this sort of thing. I think someone is way more likely to post “I’m getting rid of X” versus “I don’t care and I’m keeping X”.
Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras
#217This news article boils down to "a few people on reddit did something", which is interesting. But we know reddit and HN are definitely not mainstream. Is this hurting Amazon? No, it is not. As long as they're honouring return requests freely, you know that the number of returns is within their accepted levels of distressed inventory. If it's getting into uncomfortable territory, they'll start rate limiting people by…
It’s interesting how internet backlashes can be large enough to move the needle: ring breaking with flock is evidence of this. Yet simultaneously the internet represents the opinions of a very small and vocal minority. I’ve never seen an internet boycott have an impact.
You have now. "Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash" is literally on the front of Hacker News.
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#218Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook alone is far more mainstream than Reddit, I would say. Thousands of times more.
Roughly 6x the users and 7x the traffic. “Thousands” is a bit dramatic. Reddit is a massively popular site now, pretty sure it’s among the top 10 most visited in the world.
at most most in the US
and also because many modern platforms are app focused and don't care about web traffic
and Reddit is a huge target for scrapping int the US so traffic numbers of recent few years have become a meaningless metric
Outside the US Reddit is often far less relevant then in the US, still somewhat relevant in many "western" countries but often far far less then in the US (like e.g. where I live no on "young" (50) people use it and the people which do use it are mostly from a _subset_ of often very US influenced tech/nerd/gamer cultures).
And if you go to countries where speaking English is far less the norm Reddits relevance drops sharply. The thing is, that is something like 50% of the word population... In India Reddit doesn't matter, nor does it in China, nor does it in many (but not all) of the highly populated areas "between" (south) China and India.
So why I don't know if "site [..] 10 most visited in the world" is technically true or false it is highly misleading even if true and seems to be bordering on US defaultism, through maybe more "the west" defaultism.
Now to be fair people forgetting like half of the word population in their arguments is pretty common, in not just the US, but also the EU.
It's a bit like with HN, it might feel representative for the IT industry world wide, but it is only representative for a certain FANG/US-startup/US-hacker culture influenced subset of it. Beyond this it has hardly any representation weather it's wrt. articles or people commenting. But "beyond this" is on a world wide scale a _very_ huge part of the industry.
Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras
#219This news article boils down to "a few people on reddit did something", which is interesting. But we know reddit and HN are definitely not mainstream. Is this hurting Amazon? No, it is not. As long as they're honouring return requests freely, you know that the number of returns is within their accepted levels of distressed inventory. If it's getting into uncomfortable territory, they'll start rate limiting people by…
While I agree that the return numbers are probably very low, you may be underestimating Reddit's impact in terms of product recommendation. I noticed that Reddit results are often pretty prominent on Google search when product reviews are searched for.
Security camera market is pretty competitive and a single factor like this could easily sway people to choose alternatives.
Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras
#220This news article boils down to "a few people on reddit did something", which is interesting. But we know reddit and HN are definitely not mainstream. Is this hurting Amazon? No, it is not. As long as they're honouring return requests freely, you know that the number of returns is within their accepted levels of distressed inventory. If it's getting into uncomfortable territory, they'll start rate limiting people by…
It’s interesting how internet backlashes can be large enough to move the needle: ring breaking with flock is evidence of this. Yet simultaneously the internet represents the opinions of a very small and vocal minority. I’ve never seen an internet boycott have an impact.
Bud Light's stock performance last year would like to have a word with you.