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Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by zamalek »

pjmlp wrote: post #300
delaminator wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use i3-wm I never resize a window with its border. I never minimize a weindow. I sometimes move a window to a different panel but it snaps to the width / height of the column. Overlapping windows is perhaps the worst GUI paradigm - it's like the first thing someone thought of for 640 x 480 screens. Let it go.

Tiling window managers used to be a thing in the old days, they predate the invention of overlapping windows, there is a reason it is only a minority that reaches out to them nowadays.

Tilings are no better or no worse than floating. There are many users who would benefit from them (people who typically keep all their windows maximized), but have had literally zero exposure two them due to MacOS and Windows.

Complaints about lack of window snapping in MacOS vs Windows, a loose copy of tiling, are consistent across the internet. If MacOS and Windows had native tiling support, you'd see a fight fiercer than tabs vs. spaces.

The reason floating windows are used is because "that's the way it is done." Windows 95 wowed the world and established the status quo.

Not to mention the direction that the likes of Paper and Niri are going, these are things that very few users get to experience and therefore couldn't possibly have an informed decision on what they prefer.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by bjackman »

olivierestsage wrote: post #297

It really has gotten to the point where Linux offers the best option for a sane desktop experience. Watching Windows and macOS implode while KDE and Gnome slowly get better and better has really been something. Not quite at the point I'd recommend them for grandma and grandpa, but not that far off, either.

My mother (age 70, non technical) uses Gnome with no issues.

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Post by Finnucane »

olivierestsage wrote: post #297

It really has gotten to the point where Linux offers the best option for a sane desktop experience. Watching Windows and macOS implode while KDE and Gnome slowly get better and better has really been something. Not quite at the point I'd recommend them for grandma and grandpa, but not that far off, either.

There are no good options for grandma these days. I've been helping my 85-yr-old mother with her computer stuff (she has an iMac) and there's so much user-hostile, broken stuff--not just on the Mac itself, but many of the internet-based services she has to use--it makes you want to take a baseball bat to the while affair.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by SSLy »

impish9208 wrote: post #295

I’ve so far resisted using HN for tech support, but I’ll jump on the macOS hate bandwagon. My MBP M1 Max with 32 GB RAM has become near-unusable with Tahoe. Trying to switch users? Frozen. Click on something? Beachballs. There’s visible stutter and hangs in the lock screen animations. I hate it so much.

Instal Sequoia~~~ you probably can squeeze two OSes on same APFS container even.

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Post by hs86 »

olivierestsage wrote: post #297

It really has gotten to the point where Linux offers the best option for a sane desktop experience. Watching Windows and macOS implode while KDE and Gnome slowly get better and better has really been something. Not quite at the point I'd recommend them for grandma and grandpa, but not that far off, either.

In the past few years, I’ve started to develop a form of “upgrade dread” when it comes to OS upgrades. What are they going to enshittify now? What are they going to drop support for now?

This somehow excluded Linux and its DEs, and I eagerly read any news, changelogs, and announcements in this space. They’re still not perfect in every aspect, but at least I see things improving instead of public turf wars between departments trying to improve their KPIs.

Why is there an extra URL handler for MS Edge that bypasses the default browser config? Why is the search bar this wide in the default taskbar config instead of showing a simple button? Why are local searches always sent to Bing with no easy way to switch it off or change the search provider?

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Post by Maken »

dgxyz wrote: post #13

It's bad when stock Gnome is better. That's where I am now.

Gnome has the same issue, it's just less noticeable because the radius of the round corners is smaller. The draggable area of a window is 90% their drop shadow.

Except when it's a Qt application, which has no drop shadows because client-side decorations shenanigans.

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Post by zamalek »

Someone1234 wrote: post #137
jazzyjackson wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's two gestures, a swipe and a click and drag. I'm not even saying Mac is superior here, just that there's a quick way to do full screen splits

So the trick is five hidden things, not presented in the UI. Great!

Next Apple will be utilizing 12-finger and faceroll getures.

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Post by amelius »

olivierestsage wrote: post #297

It really has gotten to the point where Linux offers the best option for a sane desktop experience. Watching Windows and macOS implode while KDE and Gnome slowly get better and better has really been something. Not quite at the point I'd recommend them for grandma and grandpa, but not that far off, either.

The main problem is that Apple wants to be opinionated. Linux is the polar opposite of that. People used to say the latter is bad, but it turns out the former is way worse (many hackers of course already knew this).

> Not quite at the point I'd recommend them for grandma and grandpa, but not that far off, either.

But at this point grandma and grandpa are the only ones I'd recommend to use Apple devices.

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Post by kn100 »

olivierestsage wrote: post #297

It really has gotten to the point where Linux offers the best option for a sane desktop experience. Watching Windows and macOS implode while KDE and Gnome slowly get better and better has really been something. Not quite at the point I'd recommend them for grandma and grandpa, but not that far off, either.

Gnome Shell in particular offers a ridiculously coherent, sane window management. Nobody agrees with all the choices the Gnome Team took to get here, but it sure is nice there being one way of doing everything that makes sense contextually.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by BoingBoomTschak »

pjmlp wrote: post #300
delaminator wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use i3-wm I never resize a window with its border. I never minimize a weindow. I sometimes move a window to a different panel but it snaps to the width / height of the column. Overlapping windows is perhaps the worst GUI paradigm - it's like the first thing someone thought of for 640 x 480 screens. Let it go.

Tiling window managers used to be a thing in the old days, they predate the invention of overlapping windows, there is a reason it is only a minority that reaches out to them nowadays.

That reason being that there is a minority of people who reach out to anything instead of just using what they're given. Compounded by baby duck syndrome, of course.
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