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Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by Bender »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #154
asdff wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a local one (reolink). Prompted by neighbors getting robbed unfortunately. Will this prevent crime? Maybe some but probably not all. But it would let me know if I have to file a stolen package claim or should wait on the package for a few more days. Plus it has been doubling as a trail camera for the local fauna I had no idea came by so frequently. It faces private property only as it is set up.

If I were a robber knowing everyone has cameras, wouldn’t I just wear a mask?

They do. Also many dont care as they will just be released. Criminals also know the cameras do not face up/down the road to capture license plates.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by webdevver »

eknkc wrote: post #42

I predict 100 returns in total and then everybody forgets about this in a week. I'm not cheering for this outcome but it's the sad reality.

unfortunately having always-on cameras pointing around the house is kind of an arms race. if you don't, someone else will, and their word will be the one that gets taken seriously. so you better have one too!

its kind of like how in videos of altercations, the first thing all parties involved will do nowadays is grab their phones and start recording.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by reaperducer »

asdff wrote: post #12
ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #9

Good. But people should not have pointed cameras into public spaces and live streamed everything to the cloud to begin with. Walking past a house with a camera doorbell makes me really uncomfortable, like I'm being watched.

I have a local one (reolink). Prompted by neighbors getting robbed unfortunately. Will this prevent crime? Maybe some but probably not all. But it would let me know if I have to file a stolen package claim or should wait on the package for a few more days. Plus it has been doubling as a trail camera for the local fauna I had no idea came by so frequently. It faces private property only as it is set up.

Will this prevent crime? Maybe

No. Unless your camera is being held by a human being who can take action.

Cameras do not prevent crime. That's just marketing.

All they do is let people watch crimes after they've happened, and share the videos to spread fear to other people, which then sells more cameras.

If doorbell cameras prevented crime, the internet would be full of videos of people trying to steal packages, then changing their minds when they see the camera.

Instead, it's all just recordings of a crime that has already been committed.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

DrScientist wrote: post #133
asdff wrote: post #4

Funny how a single superbowl ad from Ring themselves was able to do in one weekend what a thousand and one anti Ring bloggers were unable to do for the past 10 years straight. This commercial and the response will probably be studied in marketing classes.

That one image of all the camera's apparently remotely controlled to scan the entire neighbourhood is something it's difficult to unsee. The implication is obvious, the feel is inhuman. The power of a few seconds of video is why TikTok had to be brought under control ( and sadly not just because of worrying about what others might do, but to specifically censor and promote specific messages ). The issue really isn't…

>The power of a few seconds of video is why TikTok had to be brought under control

Didn't USA's current regime take over TikTok in order to use it for propaganda? Twitter-X was used so successfully that they're expanding their psyops.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by wink »

colordrops wrote: post #46
asdff wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a local one (reolink). Prompted by neighbors getting robbed unfortunately. Will this prevent crime? Maybe some but probably not all. But it would let me know if I have to file a stolen package claim or should wait on the package for a few more days. Plus it has been doubling as a trail camera for the local fauna I had no idea came by so frequently. It faces private property only as it is set up.

Not sure why you are downvoted. Reolinks work without internet and can stream locally using rtsp. I have a doorbell cam from them and it works fine. If you block it from the internet you only get video and basic doorbell functionality though, which is fine.

The difference if you can film out on the street (random people walking by) or just your property (my own fault if I approach your door).

Some countries have laws for this, as in you can only point the camera so that you don't catch everyone. This can have downsides, e.g. if you have no (even short) front yard and your (organization's) door is directly on the curb - but I completely agree that this is just tough luck, the privacy of random people walking on public property past private property should not be filmed.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by zzzeek »

I think people should return these cameras, this is good, but, is this really a trend or is MSN just reporting on a reddit sub with a few thousand people? So interesting a company owned by Microsoft would want to publicize people unsatisfied with a competitor...

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by flyinghamster »

pjmlp wrote: post #21
asdff wrote: post #4

Funny how a single superbowl ad from Ring themselves was able to do in one weekend what a thousand and one anti Ring bloggers were unable to do for the past 10 years straight. This commercial and the response will probably be studied in marketing classes.

It is very simple, most regular people don't read random blogs, however they do watch Superbowl. This is to be studied by geeks, how to approach non-technical audiences.

Here we have a problem: Hollywood tropes. Shows like The Big Bang Theory aka "Blackface for Nerds" make it nearly impossible to even talk to normals without sounding like Sheldon F. Cooper.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by randallsquared »

nehal3m wrote: post #142
mkl wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was, he said it a long time ago. He has said a lot of things that sounded kind of far-fetched and paranoid at the time, but which were later demonstrated to be true, so "Stallman was right" is reappraising the past statement.

I understand what you mean, but he’s still saying it and he never stopped.

Lots of people are saying some of those things now, but Stallman was saying them decades ago. It's not differentiating or meaningful to say "A is right" if B-E are saying the same thing at the same time.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by zetanor »

nindalf wrote: post #155

This news article boils down to "a few people on reddit did something", which is interesting. But we know reddit and HN are definitely not mainstream. Is this hurting Amazon? No, it is not. As long as they're honouring return requests freely, you know that the number of returns is within their accepted levels of distressed inventory. If it's getting into uncomfortable territory, they'll start rate limiting people by…

I'd agree on /r/FlockSurveillance/ specifically, but if Reddit itself does not qualify as "mainstream", then what does? Just FANG?

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by DrScientist »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #164
DrScientist wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That one image of all the camera's apparently remotely controlled to scan the entire neighbourhood is something it's difficult to unsee. The implication is obvious, the feel is inhuman. The power of a few seconds of video is why TikTok had to be brought under control ( and sadly not just because of worrying about what others might do, but to specifically censor and promote specific messages ). The issue really isn't…

>The power of a few seconds of video is why TikTok had to be brought under control Didn't USA's current regime take over TikTok in order to use it for propaganda? Twitter-X was used so successfully that they're expanding their psyops.

All done in plain sight - because the people doing it are the good guys right?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3tdrO8bA7rs

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