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How to Have a Bad Career – David Patterson (2016) [video]

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Re: How to Have a Bad Career – David Patterson (2016) [video]

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this is a very interesting line of analogy .. allow me to broaden it with "a backhoe cannot do the mantle inlays with black oak" and at the same time "your backhoe is done in four days but the entire home still needs building"

A backhoe cannot do the mantle inlays with black oak, but maybe a CNC router can do most of the work for you except the final detailing and fitting.

Will I still like it?

Re: How to Have a Bad Career – David Patterson (2016) [video]

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I’ve been thinking a lot more about this lately. Big Tech today is far more powerful than 1990s Microsoft and 1970s IBM ever were. I’m not anti-AI, but the sheer power major players like OpenAI, Alphabet, Microsoft, and Meta have make me very nervous. The challenge for computer science researchers who have qualms about working for Big Tech is finding an alternative career path. Speaking from an American point of view…

Big Tech today is far more powerful than 1990s Microsoft and 1970s IBM ever were. In aggregate, sure, but no company today comes within an order of magnitude of the power an IBM of the ‘70s and ‘80s or a Microsoft of the ‘90s and ‘00s had over the tech landscape.

Probably true but what was tech is now basically just the entire economy.

Re: How to Have a Bad Career – David Patterson (2016) [video]

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A backhoe cannot do the mantle inlays with black oak, but maybe a CNC router can do most of the work for you except the final detailing and fitting.

Will I still like it?

Once pricing comes into play, you might.

Re: How to Have a Bad Career – David Patterson (2016) [video]

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Curious if today's Berkeley's professors would still wear Alphabet (former Google) t-shirts while holding presentations, I now realise that things have changed a lot in the last 10 years. I've also not gone through the whole presentation, but does he at any point talk about the moral choices one will most definitely have to make during a career in tech? (this is related to the previous paragraph). Is it a "bad career…

15 - 20 years ago i was a total Google fanboy, i liked what they did with their search, i loved their overall ecosystem and perceived culture. I even have a - now orphaned - googlemail email address.

Nowadays? I wouldn't touch anything that comes from Google (granted also not from any other big tech company) with pliers.

Re: How to Have a Bad Career – David Patterson (2016) [video]

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I think the issue is that some of us like the drudgery!

Unfortunately, even if I did like the “drudgery” in consulting, no one pays American rates for it. The drudgery is done by folks in LatAm and India.

World is bigger than US, much bigger. So is HN audience.

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Maybe it's my own bias (after working for a big tech company for 5 years), but it's certainly not the dream job I thought it would be. Soulless corporations with questionable impact on society, lot of turnover, increasing pressure every year, fear of layoffs. Even the tech isn't that exciting, there's lots of tedious work, technical debt, hacked solutions, no time for researching and building quality solution. That b…

I’m an ex-industry researcher with experience at FAANGs, albeit as a software engineering intern (Google) and a production engineer (Facebook). I think it depends on the interests of the researcher. If a researcher is comfortable being a “brain for hire” who is comfortable solving research problems that are driven by business needs and where there needs to be short-term or medium-term results, then I think there are…

My experience as an L5 Google Research research scientist is that I have a lot of freedom as long as I can show I've made progress on one or two things the company cares about at each annual review. IMO, this is about as much research freedom as is reasonable for me to request.

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Unfortunately, even if I did like the “drudgery” in consulting, no one pays American rates for it. The drudgery is done by folks in LatAm and India.

World is bigger than US, much bigger. So is HN audience.

And in the rest of the world do the people doing the “drudgery” get paid more than the people who lead the work and design?

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I think the issue is that some of us like the drudgery!

Some of us like lifting weights too but you can't fault someone for using a backhoe instead of a shovel when they want to build a house.

More like house flippers drywalling over the bad wiring and weird framing. "Looks good!"

Re: How to Have a Bad Career – David Patterson (2016) [video]

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> Successful projects go through an unglamorous hard phase. > Design is more fun than making it work. Great wisdom for any kind of project

I know the fourth rail on HN these days besides sex, religion and politics seems to be “AI”, but AI has taken the drudgery out of going from design -> implementation for me at least.

Great! Can you point us to a public successful example of your work using AI for implementation?
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