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Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by gambiting »

hdgvhicv wrote: post #18
gspr wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Norway, and I assume in much of Europe, it's actually illegal. But that hasn't stopped anyone. The (little) discussion there's been on the topic has mostly centered around car sentry cams, which is very similar in nature. Sadly, the only state authority that seems to care is so underfunded that they can barely cover a fraction of these cases. And there's (rightfully) very little appetite for them to go after…

Once something illegal is culturally accepted it’s very difficult to remove, it requires a cultural shift. It’s against the law to post cctv onto things like Facebook in the U.K. but people donor all the time. Early on the law could have banned cloud cameras but it’s too late now, far too many people like to answer front their phones. So glad I no ln get deliver pizzas.

>>It’s against the law to post cctv onto things like Facebook in the U.K.

I live in the UK and first time I'm hearing about this - it's definitely illegal to record your neighbours or members of the public without permission, but AFAIK if you are recording videos of your own driveway you can post those anywhere you like since there is no privacy issue there.

Have you got any more info about this?

Edit: let me clarify - sure, there are _circumstances_ under which it's illegal to post a video on facebook, whether it's recorded with CCTV or your phone doesn't matter. But there is no blanket ban on posting CCTV footage anywhere, and your post makes it sound like it is.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by UltraSane »

herbst wrote: post #26
asdff wrote: post #4

Funny how a single superbowl ad from Ring themselves was able to do in one weekend what a thousand and one anti Ring bloggers were unable to do for the past 10 years straight. This commercial and the response will probably be studied in marketing classes.

What happened?

Ring ran a Superbowl ad showing their cameras being used to find a lost dog. This made people realize they can be used to track people just as easily.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by herbst »

Zealotux wrote: post #30
herbst wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happened?

The ad https://youtu.be/OheUzrXsKrY?si=oHH1hBRIYjNNgPZT

Thanks. This is actually kinda cute. After all the shit Amazon and the company did I am surprised this should be the thing that gets people worried

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by netdur »

asdff wrote: post #4

Funny how a single superbowl ad from Ring themselves was able to do in one weekend what a thousand and one anti Ring bloggers were unable to do for the past 10 years straight. This commercial and the response will probably be studied in marketing classes.

Now you know why Superbowl ads cost millions and bloggers are just bloggers

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by lifestyleguru »

notrealyme123 wrote: post #19
lifestyleguru wrote: post #14

American surveillance is one thing. All over Europe people install Chinese IP cameras mostly from paranoic and imaginary reasons. Camera literally facing neighbour's windows and doors and their neighbour's own camera. Nobody understands that it's economically impossible to sell IP camera with a mobile app and cloud storage of video for 150 EUR. Their business model is not simply selling cameras. EDIT. I'm really conf…

Where is this comment coming from? Why Europe? Are those cameras not used in other places? Are they specifically made for Europe? Are there sources? Or is this just a fantasy story?

> Are there sources?

> Or is this just a fantasy story?

People buy them from Ali, Temu, Allegro, eMAG and install all over the place. Simply freaking take a walk and look around.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by lifestyleguru »

herbst wrote: post #28
pjmlp wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The usual anti-Europe narrative that is starting to be so common over here.

Weirdly yes. But why is formulated that you can tell it's an American writing text only an American could believe from the first words.

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Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by mihaaly »

gspr wrote: post #13
ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #9

Good. But people should not have pointed cameras into public spaces and live streamed everything to the cloud to begin with. Walking past a house with a camera doorbell makes me really uncomfortable, like I'm being watched.

Here in Norway, and I assume in much of Europe, it's actually illegal. But that hasn't stopped anyone. The (little) discussion there's been on the topic has mostly centered around car sentry cams, which is very similar in nature. Sadly, the only state authority that seems to care is so underfunded that they can barely cover a fraction of these cases. And there's (rightfully) very little appetite for them to go after…

Goods and products must adhere to regulations banning common wrongdoings. Safety standards, health standards, avoiding financial harm, but also privacy. With this I mean, you are absolutely right! Producers and/or sellers of products violating the standards of the society must be pursued! Common people have the convenience not knowing every and all big and small regulations setting the standards of the society when going into a shop buying gadgets or goods. Those active in a specific area must know the specifics of that area and adhere the rules. Should people be aware of radio emission standards when purchasing things working with electricity and validate themselves if the specific product will adere to those when used? Absolutely no! No chance of that. We, consumers, do not need to be aware and able to tell if some food from the grocery will harm people eating it but those should not be sold or produced in the first place. Same with other products in common - product related usual - situations, other rules, other aspects (here, privacy). Producers must know and avoid specific wrongdoings for the common use scenarios of that specific product.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by gspr »

mihaaly wrote: post #37
gspr wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Norway, and I assume in much of Europe, it's actually illegal. But that hasn't stopped anyone. The (little) discussion there's been on the topic has mostly centered around car sentry cams, which is very similar in nature. Sadly, the only state authority that seems to care is so underfunded that they can barely cover a fraction of these cases. And there's (rightfully) very little appetite for them to go after…

Goods and products must adhere to regulations banning common wrongdoings. Safety standards, health standards, avoiding financial harm, but also privacy. With this I mean, you are absolutely right! Producers and/or sellers of products violating the standards of the society must be pursued! Common people have the convenience not knowing every and all big and small regulations setting the standards of the society when g…

Thank you for making this connection! I think you're spot on.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by mihaaly »

pjmlp wrote: post #21
asdff wrote: post #4

Funny how a single superbowl ad from Ring themselves was able to do in one weekend what a thousand and one anti Ring bloggers were unable to do for the past 10 years straight. This commercial and the response will probably be studied in marketing classes.

It is very simple, most regular people don't read random blogs, however they do watch Superbowl. This is to be studied by geeks, how to approach non-technical audiences.

Getting wildly and widely popular in the generic population? That's what the self proclaimed influencers try to do as well, right?
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