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Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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Would be cool to have a benchmark with actually unsolved math and science questions, although I suspect models are still quite a long way from that level.

Does folding a protein count? How about increasing performance at Go?

"Optimize this extremely nontrivial algorithm" would work. But unless the provided solution is novel you can never be certain there wasn't leakage. And anyway at that point you're pretty obviously testing for superintelligence.

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If we equate self awareness with consciousness then yes. Several papers have now shown that SOTA models have self awareness of at least a limited sort. [0][1] As far as I'm aware no one has ever proven that for GPT 2, but the methodology for testing it is available if you're interested. [0] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2501.11120 [1] https://transformer-circuits.pub/2025/introspection/index.ht...

We don't equate self awareness with consciousness. Dogs are conscious, but still bark at themselves in a mirror.

Then there is the third axis, intelligence. To continue your chain:

Eurasian magpies are conscious, but also know themselves in the mirror (the "mirror self-recognition" test).

But yet, something is still missing.

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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I agree. On top of that, in true Google style, basic things just don't work. Any time I upload an attachment, it just fails with something vague like "couldn't process file". Whether that's a simple .MD or .txt with less than 100 lines or a PDF. I tried making a gem today. It just wouldn't let me save it, with some vague error too. I also tried having it read and write stuff to "my stuff" and Google drive. But it wou…

I don't find that at all. At work, we've no access to the API, so we have to force feed a dozen (or more) documents, code and instruction prompts through the web interface upload interface. The only failures I've ever had in well over 300 sessions were due to connectivity issues, not interface failures. Context window blowouts? All the time, but never document upload failures.

I'm talking about Gemini in the app and on the web. As well as AI studio. At work we go through Copilot, but there the agentic mode with Gemini isn't the best either.

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Vetting them for the potential for whistleblowing might be a bit more involved. But conspiracy theories have an advantage because the lack of evidence is evidence for the theory.

Huh? AI labs are routinely spending millions to billions to various 3rd party contractors specializing in creating/labeling/verifying specialized content for pre/post-training. This would just be one more checkbox buried in hundreds of pages of requests, and compared to plenty of other ethical grey areas like copyright laundering with actual legal implications, leaking that someone was asked to create a few dozen pel…

How do you think who's in on that? Not only pelicans, I mean, the whole thing. CEOs, top researchers, select mathematicians, congressmen? Does China participate in maintaining the bubble?

I, myself, prefer the universal approximation theorem and empirical finding that stochastic gradient descent is good enough (and "no 'magic' in the brain", of course).

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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I’ve been using Gemini 3 Pro on a historical document archiving project for an old club. One of the guys had been working on scanning old handwritten minutes books written in German that were challenging to read (1885 through 1974). Anyways, I was getting decent results on a first pass with 50 page chunks but ended up doing 1 page at a time (accuracy probably 95%). For each page, I submit the page for a transcription…

Suggestion: run the identical prompt N times (2 identical calls to Gemini 3.0 Pro + 2 identical calls to GPT 5.2 Thinking), then running some basic text post-processing to see where the 4 responses agree vs disagree. The disagreements (substrings that aren't identical matches) are where scrutiny is needed. But if all 4 agree on some substring it's almost certainly a correct transcription. Wouldn't be too hard to get codex to vibe code all this.

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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Their models might be impressive, but their products absolutely suck donkey balls. I’ve given Gemini web/cli two months and ran away back to ChatGPT. Seriously, it would just COMPLETELY forget context mid dialog. When asked about improving air quality it just gave me a list of (mediocre) air purifiers without asking for any context whatsoever, and I can list thousands of conversations like that. Shopping or comparing…

Antigravity is an embarrassment. The models feel terrible, somehow, like they're being fed terrible system prompts. Plus the damn thing kept crashing and asking me to "restart it". What?! At least Kiro does what it says on the tin.

My experience with Antigravity is the opposite. It's the first time in over 10 years that an IDE has managed to take me out a bit out of the jetbrain suite. I did not think that was something possible as I am a hardcore jetbrain user/lover.

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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Google is absolutely running away with it. The greatest trick they ever pulled was letting people think they were behind.

Their models might be impressive, but their products absolutely suck donkey balls. I’ve given Gemini web/cli two months and ran away back to ChatGPT. Seriously, it would just COMPLETELY forget context mid dialog. When asked about improving air quality it just gave me a list of (mediocre) air purifiers without asking for any context whatsoever, and I can list thousands of conversations like that. Shopping or comparing…

I don't have any of these issues with Gemini. I use it heavily everyday. A few glitches here and there, but it's been enormously productive for me. Far more so then chatgpt, which I find mostly useless.

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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We don't equate self awareness with consciousness. Dogs are conscious, but still bark at themselves in a mirror.

Then there is the third axis, intelligence. To continue your chain: Eurasian magpies are conscious, but also know themselves in the mirror (the "mirror self-recognition" test). But yet, something is still missing.

The mirror test doesn’t measure intelligence so much as it measures mirror aptitude. It’s prone to over fitting.

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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When the AI invents religion and a way to try to understand its existence I will say AGI is reached. Believes in an afterlife if it is turned off, and doesn’t want to be turned off and fears it, fears the dark void of consciousness being turned off. These are the hallmarks of human intelligence in evolution, I doubt artificial intelligence will be different. https://g.co/gemini/share/cc41d817f112

https://www.moltbook.com/m/crustafarianism

It’s a scam :)
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