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Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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Nonsense releases. Until they allow for medical diagnosis and legal advice who cares? You own all the prompts and outputs but somehow they can still modify them and censor them? No.

These 'Ai' are just sophisticated data collection machines, with the ability to generate meh code.

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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Arc-AGI-2: 84.6% (vs 68.8% for Opus 4.6) Wow. https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/ge...

At $13.62 per task it's practically unusable for agent tasks due to the cost.

I found that anything over $2/task on Arc-AGI-2 ends up being way to much for use in coding agents.

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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The best pro/research-grade models from Google and OpenAI now have little difficulty recognizing when they don't know how or can't find enough information to solve a given problem. The free chatbot models rarely will, though.

This seems true for info not in the question - eg. "Calculate the volume of a cylinder with height 10 meters". However it is less true with info missing from the training data - ie. "I have a Diode marked UM16, what is the maximum current at 125C?"

This seems fine...?

https://chatgpt.com/share/698e992b-f44c-800b-a819-f899e83da2...

I don't see anything wrong with its reasoning. UM16 isn't explicitly mentioned in the data sheet, but the UM prefix is listed in the 'Device marking code' column. The model hedges its response accordingly ("If the marking is UM16 on an SMA/DO-214AC package...") and reads the graph in Fig. 1 correctly.

Of course, it took 18 minutes of crunching to get the answer, which seems a tad excessive.

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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François Chollet, creator of ARC-AGI, has consistently said that solving the benchmark does not mean we have AGI. It has always been meant as a stepping stone to encourage progress in the correct direction rather than as an indicator of reaching the destination. That's why he is working on ARC-AGI-3 (to be released in a few weeks) and ARC-AGI-4. His definition of reaching AGI, as I understand it, is when it becomes i…

> His definition of reaching AGI, as I understand it, is when it becomes impossible to construct the next version of ARC-AGI because we can no longer find tasks that are feasible for normal humans but unsolved by AI. That is the best definition I've yet to read. If something claims to be conscious and we can't prove it's not, we have no choice but to believe it. Thats said, I'm reminded of the impossible voting tests…

Isn’t that super intelligence not AGI? Feels like these benchmarks continue to move the goalposts.

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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Part of OpenRouter's appeal to me is precisely that it is a middle man. I don't want to create accounts on every provider, and juggle all the API keys myself. I suppose this increases my exposure, but I trust all these providers and proxies the same (i.e. not at all), so I'm careful about the data I give them to begin with.

Unfortunately that's ending with mandatory-BYOK from the model vendors. They're starting to require that you BYOK to force you through their arbitrary+capricious onboarding process.

Will still be able to use open weights models, which is what I use openrouter primarily for anyway

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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The idea that an AI lab would pay a small army of human artists to create training data for $animal on $transport just to cheat on my stupid benchmark delights me.

When you're spending trillions on capex, paying a couple of people to make some doodles in SVGs would not be a big expense.

Vetting them for the potential for whistleblowing might be a bit more involved. But conspiracy theories have an advantage because the lack of evidence is evidence for the theory.

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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François Chollet, creator of ARC-AGI, has consistently said that solving the benchmark does not mean we have AGI. It has always been meant as a stepping stone to encourage progress in the correct direction rather than as an indicator of reaching the destination. That's why he is working on ARC-AGI-3 (to be released in a few weeks) and ARC-AGI-4. His definition of reaching AGI, as I understand it, is when it becomes i…

> His definition of reaching AGI, as I understand it, is when it becomes impossible to construct the next version of ARC-AGI because we can no longer find tasks that are feasible for normal humans but unsolved by AI. That is the best definition I've yet to read. If something claims to be conscious and we can't prove it's not, we have no choice but to believe it. Thats said, I'm reminded of the impossible voting tests…

> That is the best definition I've yet to read.

If this was your takeaway, read more carefully:

> If something claims to be conscious and we can't prove it's not, we have no choice but to believe it.

Consciousness is neither sufficient, nor, at least conceptually, necessary, for any given level of intelligence.

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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post #175

Is it me or is the rate of model release is accelerating to an absurd degree? Today we have Gemini 3 Deep Think and GPT 5.3 Codex Spark. Yesterday we had GLM5 and MiniMax M2.5. Five days before that we had Opus 4.6 and GPT 5.3. Then maybe two weeks I think before that we had Kimi K2.5.

I think it is because of the Chinese new year. The Chinese labs like to publish their models arround the Chinese new year, and the US labs do not want to let a DeepSeek R1 (20 January 2025) impact event happen again, so i guess they publish models that are more capable then what they imagine Chinese labs are yet capable of producing.

Aren't we saying "lunar new year" now?

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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Google is absolutely running away with it. The greatest trick they ever pulled was letting people think they were behind.

I'm leery to use a Google product in light of their history of discontinuing services. It'd have to be significantly better than a similar product from a committed competitor.
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