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Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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Google is absolutely running away with it. The greatest trick they ever pulled was letting people think they were behind.

Gemini's UX (and of course privacy cred as with anything Google) is the worst of all the AI apps. In the eyes of the Common Man, it's UI that will win out, and ChatGPT's is still the best.

Google privacy cred is ... excellent? The worst data breach I know of them having was a flaw that allowed access to names and emails of 500k users.

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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Always the same with Google.

Gemini has been way behind from the start.

They use the firehose of money from search to make it as close to free as possible so that they have some adoption numbers.

They use the firehose from search to pay for tons of researchers to hand hold academics so that their non-economic models and non-economic test-time-compute can solve isolated problems.

It's all so tiresome.

Try making models that are actually competitive, Google.

Sell them on the actual market and win on actual work product in millions of people lives.

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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Gemini was awesome and now it’s garbage. It’s impossible for it to do anything but cut code down, drop features, lose stuff and give you less than the code you put in. It’s puzzling because it spent months at the head of the pack now I don’t use it at all because why do I want any of those things when I’m doing development. I’m a paid subscriber but there’s no point any more I’ll spend the money on Claude 4.6 instead…

It seems to be adept at reviewing/editing/critiquing, at least for my use cases. It always has something valuable to contribute from that perspective, but has been comparatively useless otherwise (outside of moats like "exclusive access to things involving YouTube").

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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post #15

Google is absolutely running away with it. The greatest trick they ever pulled was letting people think they were behind.

Peacetime Google is not like wartime Google. Peacetime Google is slow, bumbling, bureaucratic. Wartime Google gets shit done.

OpenAI is the best thing that happened to Google apparently.

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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post #115

Arc-AGI-2: 84.6% (vs 68.8% for Opus 4.6) Wow. https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/ge...

I'm excited for the big jump in ARC-AGI scores from recent models, but no one should think for a second this is some leap in "general intelligence". I joke to myself that the G in ARC-AGI is "graphical". I think what's held back models on ARC-AGI is their terrible spatial reasoning, and I'm guessing that's what the recent models have cracked. Looking forward to ARC-AGI 3, which focuses on trial and error and explorin…

The average ARC AGI 2 score for a single human is around 60%.

"100% of tasks have been solved by at least 2 humans (many by more) in under 2 attempts. The average test-taker score was 60%."

https://arcprize.org/arc-agi/2/

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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post #115

Arc-AGI-2: 84.6% (vs 68.8% for Opus 4.6) Wow. https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/ge...

I'm excited for the big jump in ARC-AGI scores from recent models, but no one should think for a second this is some leap in "general intelligence". I joke to myself that the G in ARC-AGI is "graphical". I think what's held back models on ARC-AGI is their terrible spatial reasoning, and I'm guessing that's what the recent models have cracked. Looking forward to ARC-AGI 3, which focuses on trial and error and explorin…

Wouldn't you deal with spatial reasoning by giving it access to a tool that structures the space in a way it can understand or just is a sub-model that can do spatial reasoning? These "general" models would serve as the frontal cortex while other models do specialized work. What is missing?

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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post #15

Google is absolutely running away with it. The greatest trick they ever pulled was letting people think they were behind.

Their models might be impressive, but their products absolutely suck donkey balls. I’ve given Gemini web/cli two months and ran away back to ChatGPT. Seriously, it would just COMPLETELY forget context mid dialog. When asked about improving air quality it just gave me a list of (mediocre) air purifiers without asking for any context whatsoever, and I can list thousands of conversations like that. Shopping or comparing options is just nonexistent. It uses Russian propaganda sources for answers and switches to Chinese mid sentence (!), while explaining some generic Python functionality. It’s an embarrassment and I don’t know how they justify 20 euro price tag on it.

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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It's a shame that it's not on OpenRouter. I hate platform lock-in, but the top-tier "deep think" models have been increasingly requiring the use of their own platform.

OpenRouter is pretty great but I think litellm does a very good job and it's not a platform middle man, just a python library. That being said, I have tried it with the deep think models.

https://docs.litellm.ai/docs/

Re: Gemini 3 Deep Think

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post #115

Arc-AGI-2: 84.6% (vs 68.8% for Opus 4.6) Wow. https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/ge...

I'm excited for the big jump in ARC-AGI scores from recent models, but no one should think for a second this is some leap in "general intelligence". I joke to myself that the G in ARC-AGI is "graphical". I think what's held back models on ARC-AGI is their terrible spatial reasoning, and I'm guessing that's what the recent models have cracked. Looking forward to ARC-AGI 3, which focuses on trial and error and explorin…

Agreed. I love the elegance of ARC, but it always felt like a gotcha to give spatial reasoning challenges to token generators- and the fact that the token generators are somehow beating it anyway really says something.
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