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GPT-5 outperforms federal judges in legal reasoning experiment

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Re: GPT-5 outperforms federal judges in legal reasoning experiment

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Post by Nursie »

krapp wrote: post #220
Nursie wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Going through life in blissful ignorance of the incompetence and malice driving the systems of violence and control around you is even worse. I’m not ignorant of that, I disagree that it matches reality. And see that’s what I’m talking about. There’s no reasoned view of the world here just unthinking, unfocused vitriol. > Happy people are just grazing cattle, fit only for the slaughterhouse. Yet here I live in a st…

The reason you live in a stable democracy with a historically unprecedented standard of living is that generations of unhappy and frustrated people made it so. It certainly isn't thanks to the people satisfied with the status quo, who maintained faith in either the virtue of the Church or the Crown. Progress depends on unreasonable people doing unreasonable things like killing monarchs and nailing theses to church do…

Those unhappy people were not, for the most part, mindless reactionaries who declared everything was shit and every human a demonic mire of corrupt motives.

I’m not “Happy with the status quo”, that’s a gross misrepresentation of my posts. I’m critical of mindless cynicism and the pointless stress and unhappiness such people put themselves through because their distrust is aimless, facile, ungrounded and as a result useless.

Re: GPT-5 outperforms federal judges in legal reasoning experiment

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Post by krapp »

Nursie wrote: post #221
krapp wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason you live in a stable democracy with a historically unprecedented standard of living is that generations of unhappy and frustrated people made it so. It certainly isn't thanks to the people satisfied with the status quo, who maintained faith in either the virtue of the Church or the Crown. Progress depends on unreasonable people doing unreasonable things like killing monarchs and nailing theses to church do…

Those unhappy people were not, for the most part, mindless reactionaries who declared everything was shit and every human a demonic mire of corrupt motives. I’m not “Happy with the status quo”, that’s a gross misrepresentation of my posts. I’m critical of mindless cynicism and the pointless stress and unhappiness such people put themselves through because their distrust is aimless, facile, ungrounded and as a result…

> mindless reactionaries who declared everything was shit and every human a demonic mire of corrupt motives

I never said anything of the sort, but you've interpreted my comments in bad faith like this several times.

I don't think I'm the one being a mindless reactionary here, but I can see it's pointless to continue.

Good day.

Re: GPT-5 outperforms federal judges in legal reasoning experiment

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Post by fluidcruft »

Nursie wrote: post #219
krapp wrote: post #218

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>going through life with that attitude seems like a recipe for unhappiness and frustration. Going through life in blissful ignorance of the incompetence and malice driving the systems of violence and control around you is even worse. Unhappiness and frustration are necessary prerequisites to any improvements to quality of life. Terminally happy people are just grazing cattle, fit only for the slaughterhouse.

> Going through life in blissful ignorance of the incompetence and malice driving the systems of violence and control around you is even worse. I’m not ignorant of that, I disagree that it matches reality. And see that’s what I’m talking about. There’s no reasoned view of the world here just unthinking, unfocused vitriol. > Happy people are just grazing cattle, fit only for the slaughterhouse. Yet here I live in a st…

Judgment and compassion belong in sentencing, not interpretation of law.

Re: GPT-5 outperforms federal judges in legal reasoning experiment

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Post by Nursie »

krapp wrote: post #222
Nursie wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those unhappy people were not, for the most part, mindless reactionaries who declared everything was shit and every human a demonic mire of corrupt motives. I’m not “Happy with the status quo”, that’s a gross misrepresentation of my posts. I’m critical of mindless cynicism and the pointless stress and unhappiness such people put themselves through because their distrust is aimless, facile, ungrounded and as a result…

> mindless reactionaries who declared everything was shit and every human a demonic mire of corrupt motives I never said anything of the sort, but you've interpreted my comments in bad faith like this several times. I don't think I'm the one being a mindless reactionary here, but I can see it's pointless to continue. Good day.

> I never said anything of the sort, but you've interpreted my comments in bad faith

Oh the irony.

Re: GPT-5 outperforms federal judges in legal reasoning experiment

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Post by Nursie »

fluidcruft wrote: post #223
Nursie wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Going through life in blissful ignorance of the incompetence and malice driving the systems of violence and control around you is even worse. I’m not ignorant of that, I disagree that it matches reality. And see that’s what I’m talking about. There’s no reasoned view of the world here just unthinking, unfocused vitriol. > Happy people are just grazing cattle, fit only for the slaughterhouse. Yet here I live in a st…

Judgment and compassion belong in sentencing, not interpretation of law.

I would argue it also belongs in decisions of whether to convict and what to convict someone of.

The law cannot encode the entirety of human experience, and can’t foresee every possible mitigating circumstance. Given the fact of a conviction regardless of sentence can have such a huge impact on someone’s life, I think there is room for compassion and good judgement in multiple places.

Re: GPT-5 outperforms federal judges in legal reasoning experiment

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Post by fluidcruft »

Nursie wrote: post #225
fluidcruft wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Judgment and compassion belong in sentencing, not interpretation of law.

I would argue it also belongs in decisions of whether to convict and what to convict someone of. The law cannot encode the entirety of human experience, and can’t foresee every possible mitigating circumstance. Given the fact of a conviction regardless of sentence can have such a huge impact on someone’s life, I think there is room for compassion and good judgement in multiple places.

You're describing sentencing. Conviction decisions are mostly made by juries.

Re: GPT-5 outperforms federal judges in legal reasoning experiment

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Post by scottLobster »

contrarian1234 wrote: post #178
scottLobster wrote: post #142

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It isn't "my scenario". These are real cases. https://www.aclu-mn.org/press-releases/victory-judge-dismiss... "In his decision, Judge Cajacob asserts that the purpose and intent of Minnesota’s child pornography statute does not support punishing Jane Doe for explicit images of herself and doing so “produces an absurd, unreasonable, and unjust result that utterly confounds the statue’s stated purpose.”" Nothing in the…

> It isn't "my scenario". These are real cases maybe English isnt your native language, but "scenario" doesnt require the situation to be not real > Nothing in there about "likeability" or "we let her off because she had nice tits" We have no way to know if likeability played in to it. When rules are bendable then they are bent to the likeable and attractive. My example of a traffic stop is analogous and more directl…

You either don't know how to have a conversation or are unwilling to. Enjoy hearing yourself speak

Re: GPT-5 outperforms federal judges in legal reasoning experiment

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Post by scottLobster »

contrarian1234 wrote: post #179
scottLobster wrote: post #145

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Are you a bot? Your name is contrarian1234 and you lack sophisticated interpretations of statements.

given your inability to engage with an opposing point of view, youre definitely not a bot. So ill take your ad hominem as praise

I engaged just fine. If you aren't a bot you're just a troll, and a bad one

Re: GPT-5 outperforms federal judges in legal reasoning experiment

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Post by voxic11 »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #211
scottLobster wrote: post #19

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Yeah, I'm reminded of the various child porn cases where the "perpetrator" is a stupid teenager who took nude pics of themselves and sent them to their boy/girlfriend. Many of those cases have been struck down by judges because the letter of the law creates a non-sequitur where the teenager is somehow a felon child predator who solely preyed on themselves, and sending them to jail and forcing them to sign up for a se…

I've often wondered what the prosecutor was thinking when they bring a case like this to trial in the first place.

When I've looked into these cases it often seems that there are additional issues at play like harassment/stalking of ex's. So the prosecutor is thinking they can get an easy plea deal on the "real" case by piling on additional charges.
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