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BootMetro: Metro style web framework

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Re: BootMetro: Metro style web framework

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Post by jenius »

Johngibb wrote: post #55
jenius wrote: post #32

This is an abomination. Do we honestly need a "framework" to use the background-color and float properties? Not to mention that the design here is very poorly executed, and as someone else mentioned the responsiveness doesn't even work. I'm not trying to be a hater or a downer, I just can't believe that this is the state of web design right now. As Gob would say, "COME ON!"

Please, be constructive instead of just dismissive. A nasty tone doesn't help anyone nor does it encourage trying new things.

I tried to be constructive, but I honestly couldn't find a single good thing about this. The execution was poor, and the entire idea of making a 'framework' out of boxes with background colors is ridiculous.

I do apologize for the harshness, especially if it offended people, and I'm all for trying new things, but something like this should absolutely not be up on the popular page of hacker news. This is an amateur attempt at a framework that was very poorly done. Is that honestly deserving of more than 100 upvotes?

Re: BootMetro: Metro style web framework

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Post by georgemcbay »

Sakes wrote: post #21
lysol wrote: post #13

You should really take the time to polish this first. That incorrectly scaled screenshot on the first page was enough for me to dismiss this.

He says on the landing page that it is > Latest version: 0.5 which implies that there are quite a few things left for him to do before he considers the first version complete. He probably felt that the marketing page was good enough for a 0.5 product. I personally think it is good enough.

He still hasn't fixed the squished screenshot's obviously wrong aspect ratio, at least as of the time I am writing this.

Screenshots with incorrect aspect ratios are a huge pet peeve for me and while this may not be entirely rational, it is one of the big things I find myself judging someone's overall competency on when they screw it up and they are doing design-focused work. I'd rather have the whole page be written in Comic Sans but have the screenshot in the right aspect ratio because at least that's a choice rather than just shoddy work.

Of course, YMMV.

Re: BootMetro: Metro style web framework

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Post by jenius »

scanr wrote: post #59
weego wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He might be blunt, but is correct. You only need look at the terrible fidelity of the back arrow being used to see that it's not had much care and attention. On top of that almost every component skin has issues that make it feel not right, like the drop down menu having gaps in the horizontal rule margins. And in general, I dislike the approach to online discussion that everything has to be positively spun. This isn…

On reflection, I could have worded that part of my comment better. I completely agree that constructive criticism is useful. I just think that we can be civil about it.

Perhaps suggestions of how this could be made more civil while retaining the criticism would have been a better way to word the comment - want to take another shot?

Stuff like "one good thing, one bad thing" or any type of sugar coating is not relevant. We are (I hope) adults here and should be able to accept criticism without needing an ego boost along with it.

There are in addition a number of inaccuracies in your comment:

- "Your feedback has not been positive." - It wasn't supposed to be positive. I thought that much was fairly clear.

- "Yes, yes you are" (reply to i'm not trying to be a hater) - No, I wasn't. I was making a critical comment, but I wasn't trying to be a hater. You cannot tell me what I was trying to do.

Re: BootMetro: Metro style web framework

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Post by dbecker »

Supreme wrote: post #58
dbecker wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's received some useful feedback in the comments here. That's the whole agile/lean idea: get user feedback early rather than spending a ton of time polishing it in isolation.

The agile/lean idea is not to have your users bug test your code! It's a technique for gathering feedback early and often in order to make sure that the requirements are sufficiently addressed. What you are describing is a shoddy work discipline which no self-respecting developer would even think of associating his name with. More appropriately, one of the central pillars of agile is to be in a releasable state at th…

I'm replying to a comment about the framework needing more "polish." It isn't like he's releasing a version to the general public that crashes your browser.

If you look at the feedback, it's mostly stuff like fonts, spacing, etc. I think it's quite acceptable for a developer to get user feedback about the interface on v0.5 of free software.

Re: BootMetro: Metro style web framework

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Post by wickedbass »

jenius wrote: post #32

This is an abomination. Do we honestly need a "framework" to use the background-color and float properties? Not to mention that the design here is very poorly executed, and as someone else mentioned the responsiveness doesn't even work. I'm not trying to be a hater or a downer, I just can't believe that this is the state of web design right now. As Gob would say, "COME ON!"

Touche! Some of these css frameworks are getting ridiculous... CSS is easy, why do we need frameworks for it?

And wow I hope this is not the direction web design is headed!

Re: BootMetro: Metro style web framework

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Post by modarts »

For an excellent reference implementation of how a Metro style application should look, check out Microsoft's Azure site: http://www.windowsazure.com/en-us/

Borrowing some of the css transitions, color scheme and typography from there would go a long way toward really delivering the "Metro experience" with your framework.

Re: BootMetro: Metro style web framework

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Post by [deleted] »

jenius wrote: post #63
scanr wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On reflection, I could have worded that part of my comment better. I completely agree that constructive criticism is useful. I just think that we can be civil about it.

Perhaps suggestions of how this could be made more civil while retaining the criticism would have been a better way to word the comment - want to take another shot? Stuff like "one good thing, one bad thing" or any type of sugar coating is not relevant. We are (I hope) adults here and should be able to accept criticism without needing an ego boost along with it. There are in addition a number of inaccuracies in your…

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Re: BootMetro: Metro style web framework

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Post by joshmlewis »

joshmlewis wrote: post #28

From a designers standpoint: 1. Take the hover border off and instead add a little CSS3 background transition animation and set the hover background color to something a tad lighter. I think this would be a cool effect. 2. Use Segoe UI or something close instead of the font you're using now, especially on the blocks 3. One of the cool things about the "metro" style is how they effectively use a ton of padding and spa…

I should start a service that gives people a thorough review of their app or web site and I make a list of trouble things and recommendations on how to make it better. Consulting on a smaller scale.

Re: BootMetro: Metro style web framework

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Post by scanr »

jenius wrote: post #63
scanr wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On reflection, I could have worded that part of my comment better. I completely agree that constructive criticism is useful. I just think that we can be civil about it.

Perhaps suggestions of how this could be made more civil while retaining the criticism would have been a better way to word the comment - want to take another shot? Stuff like "one good thing, one bad thing" or any type of sugar coating is not relevant. We are (I hope) adults here and should be able to accept criticism without needing an ego boost along with it. There are in addition a number of inaccuracies in your…

The updated wording would have been to replace the word 'positive' with 'constructive'.

I'm curious, if you look back at your original comment, do you not think that it is rude / insulting as opposed to constructive?

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