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Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Working artists, spouses, and semi-retirees are relatively common. ‘2,000 creative workers’ would make this quite competitive, even if it’s only 20k USD/year that could easily enable people to be artists who wouldn’t make a career of it on their own.

Anyone who can build an art portfolio in their spare time is quite comfortable in my books. 20k USD/yr is life changing for some people down on their luck.

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Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Ireland has already provided substantial benefits to artists — income from art is exempt from income tax up to a certain level. Society has not disintegrated. Speculation and anecdotes are not terribly useful but my Irish author friend is not from a rich family, nor is she well-off, but she’s able to support her husband and child in a smaller Irish city by dint of writing several books a year and stressing a lot. I d…

> I don’t think it would be possible without the tax exemption.

Maybe it shouldn't be possible. Society is telling your friend that her work is not particularly valuable and that she should probably consider doing something else.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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It's wild to me how many people in the comments see any form of government doing anything as shady. It is doubly wild to me that using public funds to create art is seen as a bad thing.

You know that tax money is taken from people who could buy art with it? Or, maybe buy food and other things that they need even more than art at the moment.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Ireland has already provided substantial benefits to artists — income from art is exempt from income tax up to a certain level. Society has not disintegrated. Speculation and anecdotes are not terribly useful but my Irish author friend is not from a rich family, nor is she well-off, but she’s able to support her husband and child in a smaller Irish city by dint of writing several books a year and stressing a lot. I d…

> I don’t think it would be possible without the tax exemption. Maybe it shouldn't be possible. Society is telling your friend that her work is not particularly valuable and that she should probably consider doing something else.

There’s plenty of things that are valuable for society while still not having significant financial value.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Ireland has already provided substantial benefits to artists — income from art is exempt from income tax up to a certain level. Society has not disintegrated. Speculation and anecdotes are not terribly useful but my Irish author friend is not from a rich family, nor is she well-off, but she’s able to support her husband and child in a smaller Irish city by dint of writing several books a year and stressing a lot. I d…

> I don’t think it would be possible without the tax exemption. Maybe it shouldn't be possible. Society is telling your friend that her work is not particularly valuable and that she should probably consider doing something else.

It's naive to conflate income as a clear signal of what society needs.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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I feel Ireland has produced lots and lots of literary genius like James Joyce and others. Sometimes I wake up at 5am for a book club about his book for two hours and we only finish 1 page of his book. This is the reason that is in their culture to celebrate and perpetuate art. I'm looking forward to more and more Irish art

Some instinct, waking at these memories, stronger than education or piety, quickened within him at every near approach to that life, an instinct subtle and hostile, and armed him against acquiescence. The chill and order of the life repelled him. He saw himself rising in the cold of the morning and filing down with the others to early mass and trying vainly to struggle with his prayers against the fainting sickness of his stomach.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Ireland has already provided substantial benefits to artists — income from art is exempt from income tax up to a certain level. Society has not disintegrated. Speculation and anecdotes are not terribly useful but my Irish author friend is not from a rich family, nor is she well-off, but she’s able to support her husband and child in a smaller Irish city by dint of writing several books a year and stressing a lot. I d…

> I don’t think it would be possible without the tax exemption. Maybe it shouldn't be possible. Society is telling your friend that her work is not particularly valuable and that she should probably consider doing something else.

This is a false assumption. We will only know retrospectively whether it was valuable or not.

1. She gets better all the time, and might be super popular in the future 2. Many writings became relevant only long after the death of the author

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I don’t get it. Why are artists more deserving than unemployed insurance salespeople or carpet installers?

Because people hardly pay for art, yet many consider it worth keeping the arts alive.

Then those many should spend their own money. And not steal from the rest of society.

Maybe they could sing up for say extra 20-50% tax which then get distributed.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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post #144

I don’t get it. Why are artists more deserving than unemployed insurance salespeople or carpet installers?

If you find yourself alone in an Island, who would you want with you among the trades you listed?

Carpet installer? Most likely handy enough for building shelter and in general manual labour.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Irish here. It's a cultural thing. Ireland is the only country in the world whose national symbol is a musical instrument. Art is seen as a worthwhile endeavour even if it can't necessarily support itself as a private endeavour. It's for the same reason galleries and museums are subsidised by the government. Anyone can call themselves an artist but to receive this money you would have to have a portfolio of work that…

> Ireland already has a competitive economy Ireland's economic statistics are so badly distorted by US companies routing money there that there is an entire subfield of economics dedicated to trying to figure out what Ireland's real economic state is, called "Leprechaun economics". A common adjustment made by economics researchers when studying the EU is to just subtract Ireland entirely. https://en.wikipedia.org/wik…

It's nice that they still get taxes on that money, and use it to support artists.
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