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Followup to "I bought more than 1 million Facebook data entries for $5"

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Re: Followup to "I bought more than 1 million Facebook data entries for $5"

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You really don't want to mess with the Facebook police. They'll delete your life. I wish I had something more substantive to say here, but the problem is that we give Facebook an extraordinarily huge power in our personal lives. It's not just some random web service.

20 years old. No Facebook account. I 'deleted my life', and y'know what? Nothing changed. I still have the same friends I talked to before Facebook, still meet up for drinks on their birthdays, still arrange nights out, and still share what's going on in my life. The best thing about no Facebook? I know what information is out there, and nothing personal that Advertising Inc. can buy.

21 and find that it would be hugely inconvenient to delete my Facebook account.

But this isn't for the social aspect, I don't post status updates or photos or share personal information (not even my Birthday), however Facebook Groups are just so widely used that it's hard to stay in the loop for certain things without them.

Re: Followup to "I bought more than 1 million Facebook data entries for $5"

#23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a much easier story. I'm 47. Because of the network effect, using Facebook I've connected with people I knew and cared about that I haven't seen in 30 years. Dozens of them. I barely remembered person A and B, found them and became friends. Then they knew person C and D. E and F were close behind. Pretty soon I have 200 friends from places scattered all over the world. Life sneaks up on you, and people stop…

But if I lost my FB data now? I'd never find these guys again. You haven't bothered to copy off important contact data to some personal file? That's crazy. You wake up one day wondering what happened to Bob, then slowly realize that you'll never see him again. It's a weird feeling. True. OTOH, when that has happened to me, I realize there's a reason for it. At 54 I find that a) life is not only short, it's shorter th…

The purpose of my post was to point out to HN users, some of which may be old cranky guys with too much time on their hands, the way the average Facebook user looks at things.

If you'd like to make it about me, happy to do that. My email is in my profile.

Re: Followup to "I bought more than 1 million Facebook data entries for $5"

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I don't know why Facebook reacted like that. But as I understand, those information are not from Facebook itself. They are from an unknown third party app. Also, anyone who has a knowledge in Facebook API can mine those information by creating a Facebook app. I'm sure those app like "God wants you to know" have more than 1 million Facebook information. By reacting like that, I think Facebook can be considered as guil…

You don't even need to write a facebook app. I have put together scripts in R and Matlab with those capabilities. Its absurdly simple to do using Facebook API and a JSON parser.

Re: Followup to "I bought more than 1 million Facebook data entries for $5"

#25

You really don't want to mess with the Facebook police. They'll delete your life. I wish I had something more substantive to say here, but the problem is that we give Facebook an extraordinarily huge power in our personal lives. It's not just some random web service.

This makes me remember a thought I was having a while ago. I'm not a fan of regulation on the internet, but there's some regulations i'd really like to see for the purpose of creating a more competitive atmosphere. They're probably too extreme today, but in the future I can see them being necessary as our lives increasingly become more digital.

One of them is that all data I create, which is stored, I should have access to, programmatically preferably. If I sign up for a site like Facebook, and create data such as friend connections I should have direct access to that data. Without access, there's an anti-competitive atmosphere. It is near impossible for me to create a new social network today on a similar scale to Facebook, because people's data is locked up. Even Google+ with google's resources, and popularity couldn't get people to detach from Facebook. I watched as people enthusiastically went to Google+, but then left as they found everything they wanted to do with it was locked up elsewhere. It is true that Facebook has this data available on their API, however it also has the ability to choose who can use it. That's the problem. I feel this data should be available for the express purpose of allowing competition to flourish.

of course there's other examples. Linked in has almost exclusive access to my resume + business contacts. Gmail has my life's history. Literally. I probably talk to my girlfriend on gchat more than when we're home. By the time we get home, there's nothing new :D Almost every big decision we've made has been while chatting at work. I can go back, and look at the record of our conversation I had when we came up with the name for my dog. Or when we decided to move to a different state, or when I told her my mom was hit by a car. No one company should be able to wipe out my life's memories. No one company should have exclusive access to this data. It is MY DATA (i realize the law doesn't recognize this as true yet, but it will).

Every day as we move to digital lives, the services we use go from being fun things we do, to critical infrastructure. Those gchat logs are really important to me. Those facebook status conversations are important to me. I didn't choose facebook based on their features. It kind of just happened. But now its a part of my life (a lot of our lives). I want control over it.

Re: Followup to "I bought more than 1 million Facebook data entries for $5"

#26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a much easier story. I'm 47. Because of the network effect, using Facebook I've connected with people I knew and cared about that I haven't seen in 30 years. Dozens of them. I barely remembered person A and B, found them and became friends. Then they knew person C and D. E and F were close behind. Pretty soon I have 200 friends from places scattered all over the world. Life sneaks up on you, and people stop…

Either this is an attempt at irony, or you are what is wrong with Facebook.

I fail to see how using facebook to reconnect with disconnected friends is what is wrong with facebook. As a tool that is exactly what it is for.

Re: Followup to "I bought more than 1 million Facebook data entries for $5"

#27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either this is an attempt at irony, or you are what is wrong with Facebook.

I fail to see how using facebook to reconnect with disconnected friends is what is wrong with facebook. As a tool that is exactly what it is for.

Did you not read the part about padding his friend list with strangers at the end there?

Re: Followup to "I bought more than 1 million Facebook data entries for $5"

#28
I would say without facebook your life becomes much more productive regardless of security issues. I rather prefer to be in touch with certain few people through other media rather than having a bunch of schoolmates which only stalk my profile. There would be no difference in having them because after all I would not have any contact with them even on facebook.

Re: Followup to "I bought more than 1 million Facebook data entries for $5"

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if I lost my FB data now? I'd never find these guys again. You haven't bothered to copy off important contact data to some personal file? That's crazy. You wake up one day wondering what happened to Bob, then slowly realize that you'll never see him again. It's a weird feeling. True. OTOH, when that has happened to me, I realize there's a reason for it. At 54 I find that a) life is not only short, it's shorter th…

The purpose of my post was to point out to HN users, some of which may be old cranky guys with too much time on their hands, the way the average Facebook user looks at things. If you'd like to make it about me, happy to do that. My email is in my profile.

If you'd like to make it about me [...]

That wasn't my intention, but your post was about you and how you use FB. Just as my response was about me and how I (don't) use FB.

I'm curious to know, though, how anyone can know if they are an average FB user. I know a few people who use FB and they all seem to use it differently. I wonder if each of them think they're an average FB user too.

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