Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you want to criticize the study, it would be best to actually read the method rather than make assumptions.
Would you happen to have a link to that?
No
Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists
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#162I don’t get it. Why are artists more deserving than unemployed insurance salespeople or carpet installers?
Anyone can become an artist with no skill and minimal effort while being a carpet installer requires skill and effort. If you are a carpet installer just call it art and get the money
the irony in this statement is palpable
Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists
#163Sweden introduced a similar scheme in 1964, in which artists (broadly defined, having since come to include one clown and one chess player) have been given a basic income, supplementing their other incomes up to a specific level. Artists couldn't apply for this, but were officially selected. The program was stopped in 2010, meaning no new recipients have been selected since. As far as I know, there's been no studies…
I'd bet what happens is that it just funded a bunch of children of upper middle class families. Scholarships and this kind of funds happen elsewhere and are based on merits. They end up funding a bunch of upper middle class's children because it turns out those children are well-equipped to perform higher on merits. If you are too rich, then you wouldn't need this kind of fund. If you are below upper middle class, th…
>They end up funding a bunch of upper middle class's children because it turns out those children are well-equipped to perform higher on merits.
I'd argue they are well equipped to give the appearance of merit, rather than performing higher on actual merit.
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm sure if you asked the average tax payer they would prefer programs like these rather than corporate welfare nonsense. So yeah, seems alright to me. I'm a tax payer.
i purchase a hell of a lot more stuff from Walmart than I do fine art.
Yes and do billion dollar corporations really need that much government subsidies? Turns out yes they do, but sure enjoy your plastic trinkets from China I guess. Hopefully you thank a tax payer that pays for the welfare and medicaid of those Walmart workers, and the local town for cheaper property taxes and utility rates at Walmart.
God knows Walmart couldn't exist with all this rampant welfare.
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I need to hear more about the baseball cap thing.
I heard Emily Blunt say on Graham Norton, "We know your American with your baseball cap." I know that's the UK but maybe it holds true for Dublin too. The looks were strange and from women in their 20s as I walked around Dublin. Im not much to look at yet do not receive such looks or rude behavior (one purposely did not hold the bathroom door at starbucks as I waited my turn 25 feet away waiting to get in rather she…
No, that's just Europe. First, they often pay to visit a bathroom there so the pushing the door close is just preventing you from freeloading. Second, Europe is denser than the US and so has cultures that don't have as negative a take on being rude. Some parts are worse than others.
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
i purchase a hell of a lot more stuff from Walmart than I do fine art.
Yes and do billion dollar corporations really need that much government subsidies? Turns out yes they do, but sure enjoy your plastic trinkets from China I guess. Hopefully you thank a tax payer that pays for the welfare and medicaid of those Walmart workers, and the local town for cheaper property taxes and utility rates at Walmart. God knows Walmart couldn't exist with all this rampant welfare.
walmart solves a major logistical problem: provide government subsidized goods to low income neighborhoods. the government should like to give walmart money, as it is plausibly a cost-effective way to provide these goods to people who need them. the administrators of walmart are well rewarded for providing this public good.
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm sure if you asked the average tax payer they would prefer programs like these rather than corporate welfare nonsense. So yeah, seems alright to me. I'm a tax payer.
i purchase a hell of a lot more stuff from Walmart than I do fine art.
In Ireland?
Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists
#168If they think this is good/important then fine but what they've created is a grant programme, not a UBI. Personally I would have thought this money would have been better spent getting people on the margins the stability to retrain into in-demand skilled careers (e.g. single, unskilled parents training as electricians or plumbers). That feels like it would be a more durable, multi-generational benefit. But again, thi…
It is not a grant. It is UBI. People who advocated for UBI always said they will spend time creating art, etc. if they didn’t have to work for income. So here it is, the dream come true.
It's not UBI unless they respect the U.
Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists
#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm sure if you asked the average tax payer they would prefer programs like these rather than corporate welfare nonsense. So yeah, seems alright to me. I'm a tax payer.
i purchase a hell of a lot more stuff from Walmart than I do fine art.
What's interesting is that you don't realize how much of that stuff from Walmart had artistic processes embedded into it along the production line.
Did those shower curtains have a design? Did your sweater have a color and style? Probably so, but you never pay attention to how the world of "fine art" refracts into your daily life.
If the products were cheap, it's likely someone unpaid is responsible for the design. See, for example, the lawsuit against Zara over theft of ideas from small-time designers [1].
In any case, cheap Chinese brands do the same thing as Zara en masse (copying designs – note the "external suppliers" bit in its defense PR), and those products then end up in Walmart/on Amazon. The artists starve but you have your shower curtains and are happy with the price.
[1] https://www.grossmanllp.com/independent-artists-on-the-offen...
Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm sure if you asked the average tax payer they would prefer programs like these rather than corporate welfare nonsense. So yeah, seems alright to me. I'm a tax payer.
i purchase a hell of a lot more stuff from Walmart than I do fine art.
I think what you think this says about you is not what it actually says about you.