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Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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post #529

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> Another thing: is it possible to turn off the words like finagling and similar (I can't remember the spelling of any of them) ? Big +1 on that. I find the names needlessly distracting. I want to just always say a single thing like “thinking”

You should be able to do something like this: "spinnerVerbs": { "mode": "replace", "verbs": ["Thinking"] } https://code.claude.com/docs/en/settings#available-settings

Thank you for the config and the link, that's very much appreciated!

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

#543
This isn't just a UI preference issue, it's the observability problem that every agentic system hits eventually.

When you're building agents that interact with real environments (browsers, codebases, APIs), the single hardest thing to get right isn't the model's reasoning. It's giving the operator enough visibility into what the agent is actually doing without drowning them in noise. There's a narrow band between "Read 3 files" (useless) and a full thinking trace dump (unusable), and finding it requires treating observability as a first-class design problem, not a verbosity slider.

The frustrating part is that Anthropic clearly understands this in other contexts. Their own research on agent safety talks extensively about the need for human oversight of autonomous actions. But the moment it's their own product, the instinct is to simplify away the exact information that makes oversight possible.

The people pinning to 2.1.19 aren't being difficult. They're telling you that when an agent touches my codebase, I need to know which files it read and what it searched for — not because I want to micromanage, but because that's literally the minimum viable audit trail. Take that away and you're asking users to trust a black box that edits production code.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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> To be clear: we re-purposed verbose mode to do exactly what you are asking for. We kept the name "verbose mode", but the behavior is what you want, without the other verbose output. Verbose mode feels far too verbose to handle that. It’s also very hard to “keep your place” when toggling into verbose mode to see a specific output.

I think the point bcherny is making in the last few threads is that, the new verbose mode _default_ is not as verbose as it used to be and so it is not "too verbose to handle that". If you want "too verbose", that is still available behind a toggle

Yeah, I didn't realize that there's a new sort of verbose mode now which is different than the verbose mode that was included previously. Although I'm still not clear on the difference between "verbose mode" and "ctrl + o". Based on https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46982177 I think they are different (specifically where they say "while hiding more details behind ctrl+o".

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Hi Boris, by far the most upvoted issue at 2550 on your github is "Support AGENTS.md" with 2550 upvotes. The second highest one has 563. Every single other agent supports AGENTS.md. Care to share why you haven't? > Yoshi and others -- please keep the feedback coming. We want to hear it, and we genuinely want to improve the product in a way that gives great defaults for the majority of users, while being extremely hac…

Let's be real here, regardless of what Boris thinks, this decision is not in his hands.

Would love to hear what Boris thinks.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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> they'd have to be insanely incompetent to not make a profit on inference. Are you aware of how many years Amazon didn’t turn a profit? Not agreeing with the tactic - just…are you aware of it?

Amazon was founded in 1994, went public in 1997 and became profitable in 2001. So Anthropic is two years behind with the IPO but who knows, maybe they'll be profitable by 2028? OpenAI is even more behind schedule.

How much loss did they accumulate until 2001? Pretty sure it wasn't the 44 billion OpenAI has. And Amazon didn't have many direct competitors offering the same services.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Product managers aren’t needed anymore.

First they came for the product managers, and I said nothing, because I was a coder, and we're invincible and can do everything and also deliver value unlike all those other slackers, so they'd never come for us.

lol product managers have for decades been a redundant role. Customer services serve a better purpose and need than a product manager. But sure blame AI.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

#548

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Hit ctrl+o

Wait so when the UI for Claude Code says “ctrl + o for verbose output” that isn’t verbose mode?

That is more verbose — under the hood, it’s now an enum (think: debug, warn, error logging)

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

#549
post #359

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The below remark is unrelated to the main topic of this thread. Why would you even watch a YouTube video with ads? There are ad blockers, sponsor segment blockers, etc. If you use them, it will block almost every kind of YouTube ad.

all the ad blockers I used to use stop working, and it became an annoying game of cat and mouse that I didn't have time for. Luckily, most of the time I can "skip" the ad in like five seconds, and it gives me a moment to catch up on incoming Slack messages.

There are ad extensions that just turn those 5 second ads into like 200 ms ads. They just speed them up, it's great. Looks like a random flicker.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

#550
post #433

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I'm a screen reader user and CTO of an accessibility company. This change doesn't reduce noise for me. It removes functionality. Sighted users lost convenience. I lost the ability to trust the tool. There is no "glancing" at terminal output with a screen reader. There is no "progressive disclosure." The text is either spoken to me or it doesn't exist. When you collapse file paths into "Read 3 files," I have no way to…

Hey -- we take accessibility seriously, and want Claude Code to work well for you. This is why we have repurposed verbose mode to do what you want, without the other verbose output. Please give it a try and let me know what you think.

It's well meaning but I think this goes against something like the curb effect. Not a perfect analogy but, verbosity is something you have to opt into here: Everyone benefits from being able to glance at what the agent is up to by default. Nobody greatly benefits from the agent being quiet by default.

If people find it too noisy, they can use the flag or toggle that makes everything quieter.

p.s. Serendipitously I just finished my on-site at anthropic today, hi :)

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