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Re: BootMetro: Metro style web framework

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post #13

You should really take the time to polish this first. That incorrectly scaled screenshot on the first page was enough for me to dismiss this.

He's received some useful feedback in the comments here. That's the whole agile/lean idea: get user feedback early rather than spending a ton of time polishing it in isolation.

Re: BootMetro: Metro style web framework

#52
post #38
post #32

This is an abomination. Do we honestly need a "framework" to use the background-color and float properties? Not to mention that the design here is very poorly executed, and as someone else mentioned the responsiveness doesn't even work. I'm not trying to be a hater or a downer, I just can't believe that this is the state of web design right now. As Gob would say, "COME ON!"

> This is an abomination That's pretty rude. > Do we honestly need a "framework" to use the background-color and float properties? This story is on the front page, so there are obviously some folk who would. I quite like it, and if it improves as a result of positive feedback, that'll be great. Your feedback has not been positive. > I'm not trying to be a hater or a downer Yes, yes you are. Or perhaps you meant "I am…

> That's pretty rude.

He's entitled to his opinion and has the right to criticize whatever he wants, however he wants. If you don't like it, why not just move on.

Positive feedback is not the only useful type of feedback. If someone suggested, say, developing a new site on the Gopher protocol then the appropriate response is to tell them that it's a stupid idea, mainly because it is a stupid idea.

There is much more to be gained from emotionally disconnecting yourself from the fruits of your labour than it is to always, without fail be positive about everything. It is folly to pick yang over yin or vice-versa.

The fact of the matter is that a lot of people will have this emotional reaction to this project and not telling the author in order to protect their feelings is going to hurt their success in the long run.

I feel that being rude is insulting the person. Being honest is insulting the work (if one honestly feels that it is unworthy enough to be treated as such).

> Yes, yes you are. Or perhaps you meant "I am being a hater and a downer but I'm hardly having to put any effort into it".

A hater is someone who hates out of prejudice. For example, hating a celebrity because one is jealous of their wealth or think that they do not deserve what they have. I do not detect any prejudice here, just an honest reaction to something.

The most ironic thing about your post is that you mimic Grandparent's tone, which you yourself label as rude and throw it back at him. Surely a mature response is to respond in a way which you find acceptable, not simply stoop down to what you perceive to be a lower and, ultimately, unacceptable level?

Re: BootMetro: Metro style web framework

#53
I love the concept of this... but it still looks buggy and in an early stage. (Which seems reasonable, only version 0.5.)

Some things I noticed: On the demo, scrolling horizontally is shaky and broken on Mac OS X Mountain Lion. Although I guess this is my fault due to my browser size, but the set of tiles that needed to scroll to be seen were completely hidden. I didn't realize you had to scroll at first. In addition, trying to scroll back to the original position doesn't work since instead, my Mac thinks I want to go back a page in browser history. (Mac has two finger swipe to go back in a browser if you're not familiar.)

Anywho, I love where this is going and hope to see more. It'd be awesome to be able to create actual Metro-styled web apps. It appears right now that the framework is only set up to re-create the home tile screen in Win8.

Re: BootMetro: Metro style web framework

#54

I'm a fan of the metro look in general, clean and simple. It can work as a web framework, and this one does a pretty good job of it. A few things of note: 1) The hover effect over the colored blocks feels odd, almost like the default blue border around image links. 2) ListViews seem under-styled with poor spacing. Perhaps this is intended 3) The ApplicationBar is pretty sharp 4) The text-color on all the button style…

This is so much better than the top comment "This is an abomination." and a much better critique.

I think pg should create a filter to weed out all comments which have stuff like "I'm not trying to be a hater/douchebag/downvote me/rude/etc but".

Re: BootMetro: Metro style web framework

#55
post #32

This is an abomination. Do we honestly need a "framework" to use the background-color and float properties? Not to mention that the design here is very poorly executed, and as someone else mentioned the responsiveness doesn't even work. I'm not trying to be a hater or a downer, I just can't believe that this is the state of web design right now. As Gob would say, "COME ON!"

Please, be constructive instead of just dismissive. A nasty tone doesn't help anyone nor does it encourage trying new things.

Re: BootMetro: Metro style web framework

#56
post #38
post #32

This is an abomination. Do we honestly need a "framework" to use the background-color and float properties? Not to mention that the design here is very poorly executed, and as someone else mentioned the responsiveness doesn't even work. I'm not trying to be a hater or a downer, I just can't believe that this is the state of web design right now. As Gob would say, "COME ON!"

> This is an abomination That's pretty rude. > Do we honestly need a "framework" to use the background-color and float properties? This story is on the front page, so there are obviously some folk who would. I quite like it, and if it improves as a result of positive feedback, that'll be great. Your feedback has not been positive. > I'm not trying to be a hater or a downer Yes, yes you are. Or perhaps you meant "I am…

He might be blunt, but is correct. You only need look at the terrible fidelity of the back arrow being used to see that it's not had much care and attention.

On top of that almost every component skin has issues that make it feel not right, like the drop down menu having gaps in the horizontal rule margins.

And in general, I dislike the approach to online discussion that everything has to be positively spun. This isn't very good, maybe it will be soon or maybe never, why should we not be able to air a valid negative opinion?

Re: BootMetro: Metro style web framework

#58
post #51
post #13

You should really take the time to polish this first. That incorrectly scaled screenshot on the first page was enough for me to dismiss this.

He's received some useful feedback in the comments here. That's the whole agile/lean idea: get user feedback early rather than spending a ton of time polishing it in isolation.

The agile/lean idea is not to have your users bug test your code! It's a technique for gathering feedback early and often in order to make sure that the requirements are sufficiently addressed. What you are describing is a shoddy work discipline which no self-respecting developer would even think of associating his name with.

More appropriately, one of the central pillars of agile is to be in a releasable state at the end of every sprint.

Re: BootMetro: Metro style web framework

#59
post #56
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is an abomination That's pretty rude. > Do we honestly need a "framework" to use the background-color and float properties? This story is on the front page, so there are obviously some folk who would. I quite like it, and if it improves as a result of positive feedback, that'll be great. Your feedback has not been positive. > I'm not trying to be a hater or a downer Yes, yes you are. Or perhaps you meant "I am…

He might be blunt, but is correct. You only need look at the terrible fidelity of the back arrow being used to see that it's not had much care and attention. On top of that almost every component skin has issues that make it feel not right, like the drop down menu having gaps in the horizontal rule margins. And in general, I dislike the approach to online discussion that everything has to be positively spun. This isn…

On reflection, I could have worded that part of my comment better. I completely agree that constructive criticism is useful. I just think that we can be civil about it.
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