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Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by lukan »

croes wrote: post #181
WXLCKNO wrote: post #70

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Exactly how I feel. I'm happy that more people are using these tools and learning (hopefully) about engineering but it shouldn't degrade the core experience for let's say "more advanced" users who don't see themselves as Vibe coders and want precise control over what's happening.

If I give pupils the solution book will they learn or just copy the answers? There is a reason why nowadays games start to help massively if the player gets stuck.

"There is a reason why nowadays games start to help massively if the player gets stuck"

You mean those "free" games, that are hard and grindy by design and the offered help comes in the shape of payed perks to solve the challenges?

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by bonoboTP »

SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #78

https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/8477 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/15263 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/9099 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/8371 It's very clear that Anthropic doesn't really want to expose the secret sauce to end users. I have to patch Claude every release to bring this functionality back.

I think it's more classic enshittification. Currently, as a percentage, still not many devs use it. In a few months or 1-2 years all these products will start to cater to the median developer and start to get dumbed down.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by seeEllArr »

mightybyte wrote: post #241
tern wrote: post #135

Claude's brand is sliding dangerously close to "the Microsoft of AI." DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS I write mainly out of the hope that some Anthropic employees read this: you need an internal crusade to fight these impulses. Take the high road in the short-term and you may avoid being disrupted in the long-term. It's a culture issue. Probably your strongest tool is specifically educating people abou…

The thing that annoys me most of all is they block me from using OpenCode with my Claude Max plan. I find the OpenCode UI to be meaningfully better than Claude Code's, so this is really annoying.

if you are an expert developer smarter than everyone at anthropic, like everyone else commenting on this post, you'll know that it's not difficult to use the claude agent sdk behind an api to achieve almost exactly the same thing

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by deagle50 »

minimaxir wrote: post #179
Spivak wrote: post #144

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The use of inflection point in the entire software industry is so annoying and cringy. It's never used correctly, it's not even used correctly in the Claude post everyone is referencing.

What euphemism better describes the trend?

step function

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by mightybyte »

prmph wrote: post #237
resiros wrote: post #133

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Honestly, just use OpenCode. It works with Claude Code Max, and the TUI is 100x better. The only thing that sucks is Compaction.

Nope, OpenCode is nowhere near Claude Code. It's amazing how much other agentic tools suck in comparison to Claude Code. I'd love to have a proper alternative. But they all suck. I keep trying them every few months and keep running back to Claude Code. Just yesterday I installed Cursor and Codex, and removed both after a few hours. Cursor disrespected my setting to ask before editing files. Codex renamed my tabs afte…

Hmmm, I used OpenCode for awhile and didn't have this experience. I felt like OpenCode was the better experience.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by idopmstuff »

lp0_on_fire wrote: post #202
idopmstuff wrote: post #180

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Also product manager here. Not at all cynically, this is classic product management - simplify by removing information that is useful to some users but not others. We shouldn't be over it by now. It's good to think carefully about how you're using space in your UI and what you're presenting to the user. You're saying it's bad because they removed useful information, but then why isn't Anthropic's suggestion of using…

> You're saying it's bad because they removed useful information, but then why isn't Anthropic's suggestion of using verbose mode a good solution? Because reading through hundreds of lines verbose output is not a solution to the problem of "I used to be able to see _at a glance_ what files were being touched and what search patterns were being used but now I can't".

Right, I understand why people prefer this. The point was that the post I was responding to was making pretty broad claims about how removing information is bad but then ignoring the fact that they in fact prefer a solution that removes a lot of information.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by seeEllArr »

jascha_eng wrote: post #44

There are a lot of non developer claude code users these days. The hype about vibe coding lets everyone think they can now be an engineer. Problem is if anthropic caters to that crowd the devs that are using it to do somewhat serious engineering tasks and don't believe in the "run an army of parallel agents and pray" methodology are being alienated. Maybe Claude Code web or desktop could be targeted to these new vibe…

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Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by _aavaa_ »

gchamonlive wrote: post #193
toyg wrote: post #166

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> an escape goat Autocorrect hall of famer, there.

Scapegoat, got it. Can't blame the autocorrect though... I honestly thought it was spelled like that, which is a shame since I've been studying English my entire life as a second language.

At least that misunderstanding didn’t cause a nuclear accident: https://practical.engineering/blog/2025/4/15/when-kitty-litt...

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by mingus88 »

NinjaTrance wrote: post #218
idopmstuff wrote: post #180

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Also product manager here. Not at all cynically, this is classic product management - simplify by removing information that is useful to some users but not others. We shouldn't be over it by now. It's good to think carefully about how you're using space in your UI and what you're presenting to the user. You're saying it's bad because they removed useful information, but then why isn't Anthropic's suggestion of using…

> It requires deep understanding of customer usage to know whether it's a mistake at all Software developers like customizable tools. That's why IDEs still have "vim keybindings" and many other options. Your user is highly skilled - let him decide what he wants to see.

Then why is the suggestion to use verbose mode treated as another mistake?

The user is highly skilled; let them filter out what is important

This should be better than adding an indeterminate number of toggles and settings, no?

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