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Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by mightybyte »

tern wrote: post #135

Claude's brand is sliding dangerously close to "the Microsoft of AI." DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS I write mainly out of the hope that some Anthropic employees read this: you need an internal crusade to fight these impulses. Take the high road in the short-term and you may avoid being disrupted in the long-term. It's a culture issue. Probably your strongest tool is specifically educating people abou…

The thing that annoys me most of all is they block me from using OpenCode with my Claude Max plan. I find the OpenCode UI to be meaningfully better than Claude Code's, so this is really annoying.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by starkeeper »

vintagedave wrote: post #117

> That’s it. “Read 3 files.” Which files? Doesn’t matter. “Searched for 1 pattern.” What pattern? Who cares. Product manager here. Cynically, this is classic product management: simplify and remove useful information under the guise of 'improving the user experience' or perhaps minimalism if you're more overt about your influences. It's something that as an industry we should be over by now. It requires deep understa…

I think it might also come down to UI churn. Sprint over? What to do next? Everything is always moving because people have nothing meaningful to do.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by NinjaTrance »

jeffybefffy519 wrote: post #231
pjm331 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s funny because on one end of the spectrum you have non dev vibe coders for whom every log is noise On the other end are the hardcore user orchestrating a bunch of agents, not sitting there watching one run, so they don’t care about these logs at all In the middle are the engineers sitting there watching the agent go

The non dev vibe coders are probably a bigger group of users, and therefore equal more money. Change justified...

The others are also paying. Make it configurable...

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by locusofself »

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #213
locusofself wrote: post #108

Working at Microsoft, I've just now hooked up to Claude Code (my department was not permitted to use it previously), through something called "Agent Maestro", a vscode extension which I guess pipes claude code API requets to our internally hosted Claude models, including Opus 4.6. I do wonder if there is going to be much of a difference between using Claude Code vs. Copilot CLI when using the same models.

Is this an indictment of OpenAI's models -- that Microsoft has access to through their investment?

We've had both GPT and Claude models available to us in Github Copilot for some time. At first, it was only GPT models.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by killingtime74 »

azinman2 wrote: post #239
kakugawa wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much longer is Anthropic going to allow OpenCode to use Pro/Max subscriptions? Yes, it's technically possible, but it's against Anthropic's ToS. [1] 1: https://blog.devgenius.io/you-might-be-breaking-claudes-tos-...

Doesn’t Claude code have an agents sdk that officially allows you to use the good parts?

Yes but you can't use a subscription with that

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by mightybyte »

resiros wrote: post #133
SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #78

https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/8477 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/15263 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/9099 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/8371 It's very clear that Anthropic doesn't really want to expose the secret sauce to end users. I have to patch Claude every release to bring this functionality back.

Honestly, just use OpenCode. It works with Claude Code Max, and the TUI is 100x better. The only thing that sucks is Compaction.

I have been unable to use OpenCode with my Claude Max subscription. It worked for awhile, but then it seems like Anthropic started blocking it.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by QuantumGood »

vintagedave wrote: post #117

> That’s it. “Read 3 files.” Which files? Doesn’t matter. “Searched for 1 pattern.” What pattern? Who cares. Product manager here. Cynically, this is classic product management: simplify and remove useful information under the guise of 'improving the user experience' or perhaps minimalism if you're more overt about your influences. It's something that as an industry we should be over by now. It requires deep understa…

Well, some who start as developers don't truly see users as stakeholders, sometimes not even remotely, and they often aren't assisted to change that view. While it feels astonishing in direct encounters, on the sliding scale of "are you a person that sees other people as stakeholders in general", many developers can be close to the "no" end of that scale. So not necessarily an institutional view.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by bunderbunder »

alphazard wrote: post #216
vintagedave wrote: post #117

> That’s it. “Read 3 files.” Which files? Doesn’t matter. “Searched for 1 pattern.” What pattern? Who cares. Product manager here. Cynically, this is classic product management: simplify and remove useful information under the guise of 'improving the user experience' or perhaps minimalism if you're more overt about your influences. It's something that as an industry we should be over by now. It requires deep understa…

Product management might be the worst meme in the industry. Hire people who have never used the product and don't think like or accurately represent our users, then let them allocate engineering resources and gate what ships. What could go wrong? It should be a fad gone by at this point, but people never learn. Here's what to do instead: Find your most socially competent engineer, and have them talk to users a couple…

I have worked with some really really good product managers.

But not lately. Lately it’s been people who have very little relevant domain expertise, zero interest in putting in the time to develop said expertise beyond just cataloguing and regurgitating feedback from the customers they like most on a personal level, and seem to mostly have only been selected for the position because they are really good at office politics.

But I think it’s not entirely their fault. What I’ve also noticed is that, when I was on teams with really elective product managers, we also had a full time project manager. That possibly freed up a lot of the product manager’s time. One person to be good at the tactical so the other can be good at the strategic.

Since project managers have become passé, though, I think the product managers are just stretched too thin. Which sets up bad incentive structures: it’s impossible to actually do the job well anymore, so of course the only ones who survive are the office politicians who are really good at gladhanding the right people and shifting blame when things don’t go well.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by idopmstuff »

sfink wrote: post #208
idopmstuff wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also product manager here. Not at all cynically, this is classic product management - simplify by removing information that is useful to some users but not others. We shouldn't be over it by now. It's good to think carefully about how you're using space in your UI and what you're presenting to the user. You're saying it's bad because they removed useful information, but then why isn't Anthropic's suggestion of using…

Developer> This is important information and most developers want to see it. PM1> Looks like a PM who is out of touch with what the developers want. Easy mistake to make. PM2> Anthropic knows better than this developer. The developer is probably wrong. I don't know for sure what the best decision is here, I've barely used CC. Neither does PM1 nor PM2, but PM2 is being awfully dismissive of the opinion of a user in th…

> PM2> Anthropic knows better than this developer. The developer is probably wrong.

Nope! Not what I said. I specifically said that I don't know if Anthropic is using the information they have well. Please at least have the courtesy not to misrepresent what I'm saying. There's plenty of room to criticize without doing that.

> It's also good to have the humility to know that your subjective opinion as someone not in the target audience even if you're designing the product is less informed in many ways than that of your users.

Ah, but you don't know I'm not the target audience. Claude Code is increasingly seeing non-developer users, and perhaps Anthropic has made a strategic decision to make the product friendlier to them, because they see that as a larger userbase to target?

I agree that it's important to have humility. Here's mine: I don't know why Anthropic made this decision. I know they have much more information than me about the product usage, its roadmap and their overall business strategy.

I understand that you may not like what they're doing here and that the lack of information creeps you out. That's totally valid. My point isn't that you're wrong to have that opinion, it's that folks here are wrong to assume that Anthropic made this decision because they don't understand what they're doing.

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