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Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by jeffybefffy519 »

pjm331 wrote: post #74
jascha_eng wrote: post #44

There are a lot of non developer claude code users these days. The hype about vibe coding lets everyone think they can now be an engineer. Problem is if anthropic caters to that crowd the devs that are using it to do somewhat serious engineering tasks and don't believe in the "run an army of parallel agents and pray" methodology are being alienated. Maybe Claude Code web or desktop could be targeted to these new vibe…

It’s funny because on one end of the spectrum you have non dev vibe coders for whom every log is noise On the other end are the hardcore user orchestrating a bunch of agents, not sitting there watching one run, so they don’t care about these logs at all In the middle are the engineers sitting there watching the agent go

The non dev vibe coders are probably a bigger group of users, and therefore equal more money. Change justified...

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by co_king_3 »

sanswork wrote: post #192
co_king_3 wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Were they actually making money though? A lot of the people on the forefront of this AI stuff seem like cult leaders and crackheads to me.

I'd pay up to $1000 pretty easily just based off the time it saves me personally from a lot of grindy type work which frees me up for more high value stuff. It's not 10x by any means but it doesn't need to be at most dev salaries to pay for itself. 1.5x alone is probably enough of an improvement for most >jr developers for a company to justify $1000/month. I suppose if your area of responsibility wasn't very broad th…

I can see $200 but $1,000 per month seems crazy to me.

Using Claude Code for one year is worth the same as a used sedan (I.E., ~$12,000) to you?

You could be investing that money!

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by idopmstuff »

dgacmu wrote: post #227
idopmstuff wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also product manager here. Not at all cynically, this is classic product management - simplify by removing information that is useful to some users but not others. We shouldn't be over it by now. It's good to think carefully about how you're using space in your UI and what you're presenting to the user. You're saying it's bad because they removed useful information, but then why isn't Anthropic's suggestion of using…

They know what people type into their tools, but they don't know what in the output users read and focus on unless they're convening a user study or focus group. I personally love that the model tells me what file it has read because I know whether or not it's headed in the generally right direction that I intended. Anthropic has no way of knowing I feel this way.

But you have no idea if they've convened user study or focus groups, right?

I'll just reiterate my initial point that the author of the post and the people commenting here have no idea what information Anthropic is working with. I'm not saying they've made the right decision, but I am saying that people ought to give them the slightest bit of credit here instead of treating them like idiots.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by hungryhobbit »

Everyone, file your own ticket (check the box saying you searched for existing tickets anyway)!

After the Anthropic PMs have to delete their hundredth ticket about this issue, they will feel the need to fix it ... if only to stop the ticket deluge!

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by idopmstuff »

NinjaTrance wrote: post #218
idopmstuff wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also product manager here. Not at all cynically, this is classic product management - simplify by removing information that is useful to some users but not others. We shouldn't be over it by now. It's good to think carefully about how you're using space in your UI and what you're presenting to the user. You're saying it's bad because they removed useful information, but then why isn't Anthropic's suggestion of using…

> It requires deep understanding of customer usage to know whether it's a mistake at all Software developers like customizable tools. That's why IDEs still have "vim keybindings" and many other options. Your user is highly skilled - let him decide what he wants to see.

There are a lot of Claude Code users who aren't software developers. Maybe they've decided that group is the one they want to cater to? I recognize that won't be a popular decision with the HN crowd, but that doesn't mean it's the wrong one.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by prmph »

resiros wrote: post #133
SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #78

https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/8477 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/15263 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/9099 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/8371 It's very clear that Anthropic doesn't really want to expose the secret sauce to end users. I have to patch Claude every release to bring this functionality back.

Honestly, just use OpenCode. It works with Claude Code Max, and the TUI is 100x better. The only thing that sucks is Compaction.

Nope, OpenCode is nowhere near Claude Code.

It's amazing how much other agentic tools suck in comparison to Claude Code. I'd love to have a proper alternative. But they all suck. I keep trying them every few months and keep running back to Claude Code.

Just yesterday I installed Cursor and Codex, and removed both after a few hours.

Cursor disrespected my setting to ask before editing files. Codex renamed my tabs after I had named them. It also went ahead and edited a bunch of my files after a fresh install without asking me. The heck, the default behavior should have been to seek permission at least the first time.

OpenCode does not allow me to scrollback and edit a prior prompt for reuse. It also keeps throwing up all kinds of weird errors, especially when I'm trying to use free or lower cost models.

Gemini CLI reads strange Python files when I'm working on a Node.js project, what the heck. It also never fixed the diff display issues in the terminal; It's always so difficult for me to actually see what edits it is actually trying to make before it makes it. It also frequently throws random internal errors.

At this point, I'm not sure we'll be seeing a proper competitor to Claude Code anytime soon.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by azinman2 »

kakugawa wrote: post #183
resiros wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, just use OpenCode. It works with Claude Code Max, and the TUI is 100x better. The only thing that sucks is Compaction.

How much longer is Anthropic going to allow OpenCode to use Pro/Max subscriptions? Yes, it's technically possible, but it's against Anthropic's ToS. [1] 1: https://blog.devgenius.io/you-might-be-breaking-claudes-tos-...

Doesn’t Claude code have an agents sdk that officially allows you to use the good parts?

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by azinman2 »

resiros wrote: post #133
SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #78

https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/8477 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/15263 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/9099 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/8371 It's very clear that Anthropic doesn't really want to expose the secret sauce to end users. I have to patch Claude every release to bring this functionality back.

Honestly, just use OpenCode. It works with Claude Code Max, and the TUI is 100x better. The only thing that sucks is Compaction.

What’s 100x better about the TUI?
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