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Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by idopmstuff »

barnabee wrote: post #178
idopmstuff wrote: post #164

I've been on the other side of this as a PM, and it's tough because you can't always say what you want to, which is roughly: This product is used by a lot of users with a range of use cases. I understand this change has made it worse for you, and I'm genuinely sorry about that, but I'm making decisions with much more information than you have and many more stakeholders than just you. > What majority? The change just…

I know product managers in particular hate it but, especially with professional software, when you gave lots of users you have to make things configurable and live with maintaining the complexity. The alternatives are alienating users or dumbing down the software, both of which are worse for any serious professional product.

I don't think it's fair to say that product managers hate it. There are a lot of product managers and a lot of kinds of software. I've worked on complex enterprise software and have added enormous amounts of complexity into my products when it made sense.

> The alternatives are alienating users or dumbing down the software, both of which are worse for any serious professional product.

I disagree that this is universally true. Alienating users is very frequently the right call. The alienated users never feel that way, but it's precisely the job of the PM to understand which users they want to build the product for and which ones they don't. You have to be fine alienating the latter group.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by sanswork »

co_king_3 wrote: post #155
nine_k wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know people who burned several hundreds a day and still were finding it worth it.

Were they actually making money though? A lot of the people on the forefront of this AI stuff seem like cult leaders and crackheads to me.

I'd pay up to $1000 pretty easily just based off the time it saves me personally from a lot of grindy type work which frees me up for more high value stuff.

It's not 10x by any means but it doesn't need to be at most dev salaries to pay for itself. 1.5x alone is probably enough of an improvement for most >jr developers for a company to justify $1000/month.

I suppose if your area of responsibility wasn't very broad the value would decrease pretty quickly so maybe less value for people at very large companies?

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by gchamonlive »

toyg wrote: post #166
gchamonlive wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you gladly pay more than what it's worth? It's not an engineer you are hiring, it's AI. The whole point of it was to make intelligent workflows cheaper. If it's going to cost as much as an engineer, hire the engineer, at least you'd have an escape goat when things invariably go wrong.

> an escape goat Autocorrect hall of famer, there.

Scapegoat, got it. Can't blame the autocorrect though... I honestly thought it was spelled like that, which is a shame since I've been studying English my entire life as a second language.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by mock-possum »

evo_9 wrote: post #143

Serous question - why do people stick with Clause Code over Cursor? With Cursors base subscription I have access to pretty much all the Frontier models and can pick and choose. Anthropic models haven’t been my go-to in months, Gemini and Codex produce much better results for me.

Because I tried all the Cs - Copilot, Cursor, Codex, and Claude - and Claude consistently have better results. Codex was faster, Copilot had better integration, Cursor sometimes seemed smarter, but Claude was the best most reliable consistent experience overall, so Claude is what I stuck with - and so did the rest of our eng department.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by brutalc »

vintagedave wrote: post #117

> That’s it. “Read 3 files.” Which files? Doesn’t matter. “Searched for 1 pattern.” What pattern? Who cares. Product manager here. Cynically, this is classic product management: simplify and remove useful information under the guise of 'improving the user experience' or perhaps minimalism if you're more overt about your influences. It's something that as an industry we should be over by now. It requires deep understa…

Product managers aren’t needed anymore.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by madrox »

I have noticed, if I hit my session quota before it resets, that Claude gets "sleepy" for a day or so afterward. It's demonstrably worse at tasks...especially complex ones. My cofounder and I have both noticed this.

Our theory is that Claude gets limited if you meet some threshold of power usage.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by JetSetIlly »

ekropotin wrote: post #7

Another instance of devs being out of touch is them wanting Claude Code to respect AGENT.md: https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/6235 What’s wrong with you, people? Are you stupid?

I've never used Claude or anything like it so this may be a dumb question: could you solve this problem by having a CLAUDE.md file that simply says to use AGENT.md if one is available. Can an AI agent not do that?

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by TIPSIO »

SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #78

https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/8477 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/15263 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/9099 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/8371 It's very clear that Anthropic doesn't really want to expose the secret sauce to end users. I have to patch Claude every release to bring this functionality back.

To be fair they have like 10,000 open issues / spam issues, it's probably insane out there for them to filter all of it haha

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by kadushka »

co_king_3 wrote: post #170
kadushka wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would probably pay $2000 a month if I had to - it's a small fraction of my salary, and the productivity boost is worth it.

It's *worth it* when you're salaried? Compared to investing the money? Do you plan to land a very-high-paying executive role years down the line? Are you already extremely highly paid? Did Claude legitimately 10x your productivity? edit: Fuck I'm getting trolled

I'm serious - the productivity boost I'm getting from using AI models is so significant, that it's absolutely worth paying even 2k/month. It saves me a lot of time, and enables me to deliver new features much faster (making me look better for my employer) - both of which would justify spending a small fraction of my own money. I don't have to, because my employer pays for it, but as I said, if I had to, I would pay.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by deagle50 »

torginus wrote: post #129

My issue with CC is that its interface deliberately obscures the code from you, making you treat it more like a genie you make wishes of rather than making changes and checking the output. I may not be up to date with the latest & greatest on how to code with AI, but I noticed that as opposed to my more human in the loop style,

Because they don't want you to improve.
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