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Officials Claim Drone Incursion Led to Shutdown of El Paso Airport

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Post by daemonologist »

kijin wrote: post #125
bdbdbdb wrote: post #97

To me the trapezoid suggests something traveling south fell in the area. Narrow at the top, wide at the bottom. Maybe they dropped a nuke by accident (again)

That looks like a rather flat trapezoid for something that fell from high above. With a fast-moving object, we can usually tell its trajectory across the map much more accurately than we can tell where along that trajectory it impacted the ground. See: MH370.

Maybe fits the "DoD is shooting something at some kind of incoming drone" explanation - they know they're shooting _from_ the top of the trapezoid but in terms of direction, only that they're vaguely facing south. (Doesn't really explain why the TFR doesn't extend into Mexico though.)

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Post by lingrush4 »

ahhhhnoooo wrote: post #309
Nathanael_M wrote: post #117

The percentage of comments written primarily for the purpose irrational political ranting is frustrating, considering the genuinely interesting nature of the story.

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Closing a small patch of airspace while military activity is occurring is not authoritarianism. Get a grip you lunatic

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Post by cameldrv »

lilytweed wrote: post #114

As someone else mentioned, there’s some speculation in aviation subreddits that the bounds of the altitude restriction map to the MANPAD capabilities that some cartels are purported to have. https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1r1s4zt/comment/o... My read is that the admin is planning forceful strikes on the cartels within Mexico and is worried about their ability to retaliate by taking down US aircraft across…

Doing a closure up to 18k feet is common because that's where class A airspace starts, i.e. you need a clearance to go there, you can't just fly around VFR wherever you want. The airspace above 18k might not be officially closed, but controllers can be instructed to just not give a clearance into whatever area they deem is unsafe on a particular day.

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Post by diogenes_atx »

lingrush4 wrote: post #327
diogenes_atx wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WTF? The FAA announces a ban on all flights at an international airport and then withdraws the ban within a few hours of the announcement? What kind of insane police state would try a stunt like that? Even for the Trump administration, that is setting the bar at a new low.

Trump needs to be impeached immediately for this. How dare he close airspace and then just lift that closure once the danger has passed.

What danger?

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Post by niij »

alexissantos wrote: post #233
grosswait wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are the first person to mention invasion. Kind of bonkers to jump to that conclusion.

Nuts, definitely. Bonkers to jump to that conclusion? No, especially with this US administration. Mexico itself is concerned enough about the possibility that it's made statements to make it clear it wouldn't be acceptable. Mexico thinks it's nuts, too, but not bonkers to think the US might do it. US troops in Mexico 'not on the table', Sheinbaum tells Trump https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20260112-us-troops-mex…

She's on the Cartel payroll. Of course she would say that. You can't be a simple mayor without cartel involvement in Mexico.

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Post by Errrrik »

gsk22 wrote: post #64
mikkupikku wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stopping life flights though? The supposed risk of cartels shooting down a helicopter vs the immediate risk of "this guy is going to die if we don't fly him to the nearest trauma center"... That risk calculus doesn't make sense.

To be fair, risk calculus does not appear to be this administration's strong suit.

Lets just for a second pretend that cartel g2a attacks are the legitimate threat. You now have a decision in regards to sparing lives: 1 Life, ground the medivacs, vs 3-4 Lives and letting them fly. Risk the life of 1 person by not allowing them fly, vs risking more lives by Allowing them to fly. (I had to explain it again so that you hopefully understand)

Seems like they understand risk calculus more than you.

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Post by reactordev »

infecto wrote: post #246
reactordev wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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“Dude”, murdering a us citizen in Mexico is different than murdering an entire bus of people on US soil. You say it’s happening all the time but then say it’s .01%. Looked it up myself, maybe 40 to 300 people annually. Hard to discern how many of those are pure tourism vs visiting family. I suspect you have a greater risk visiting family, especially if it’s a border town. 13.5mm US citizens visit d Mexico in 2024 so…

I never said “In the US” guy

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Post by myrmidon »

ethbr1 wrote: post #234
bluedino wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Malaysia isn't going to attack Russia.

I highly doubt the Russians/separatists running the Buk knew the identity of the flight before shooting it down.

Most certainly not, but I don't see how that is relevant.

The problem (from a victim/Dutch perspective) is that there is complete denial from the Russian side (despite heaps of evidence around the people involved, origin and transport of the launcher from Russian territory).

Even if Russian judges and prosecutors are completely corrupt and biased, an actual investigation/trial is the least that would be expected here, but all we got are the bald faced lies that Russia is particularly fond of.

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