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Officials Claim Drone Incursion Led to Shutdown of El Paso Airport

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Post by boringg »

Noaidi wrote: post #227
nessbot wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Murdering buses of people doesn't bring the full force of the US military on them. The difference is the risk not the depravity.

How did that full force of the US military work out in Vietnam?

I don't really think you thought through that one. It sounds like what your saying is that the Vietnamese won and thats the outcome that matters. It does matter but that isn't the issue - it is the cost that everyone is talking about: the amount of destruction that was brought upon the country and people was terrible.

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Post by boringg »

antonymoose wrote: post #237
Noaidi wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did that full force of the US military work out in Vietnam?

Millions of dead Vietnamese. In any case that was a war against a hardened, experienced, determined enemy fighting for its freedom from any form of colonial occupation, both as a formal military and as an insurgent force in South Vietnam. I scarcely think the Mexican population would rise up in defense of the cartels here.

I think a lot of people would be cheering on the destruction of the cartels.

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Post by burnt-resistor »

It was reported on Democracy Now! that an anonymous source said the military representing Biggs Army Air Field at Fort Bliss (KBIF) couldn't guarantee safety of commercial air traffic around El Paso International Airport (KELP). There was no specific details communicated and the message released caused unnecessary panic. The most likely explanation seems to be an unresolved dispute between the military and the FAA related to improving airspace safety around military flight tracks near major airports (class B/C/D airspace).

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dylan604 wrote: post #279
dathinab wrote: post #160

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Theoretically a lot of that is true for the US. It's just that - both parties have undermined the separation of power, and expanded power of the president repeatedly for many years (e.g. with granting special privileges to the president after 9/11 which where way to broad and not strictly limited to a very short time) - especially Trump has undermined/dismantled a lot of "checks and balances" mechanisms, including in…

You’ve left out that both chambers of congress is of the same party as POTUS and have abdicated their part in checks and balances.

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Post by mikkupikku »

soulofmischief wrote: post #140
mikkupikku wrote: post #50

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Please understand, Geography is only taught for optional extra credit in American schools. (I wish this were a joke.)

What? I had to take Geography.

They taught us that Geography is old fashioned so the geography classes and history were all replaced with "Social Studies" at some time in the 80s. Most of that class was just about reading holocaust books, I think we had a week or two where they taught us what islands and fjords are, but the only time putting names to countries and capitals on a map came up was an optional extra credit quiz in 8th grade. Most people skipped it.

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Post by philistine »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #153
lilytweed wrote: post #114

As someone else mentioned, there’s some speculation in aviation subreddits that the bounds of the altitude restriction map to the MANPAD capabilities that some cartels are purported to have. https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1r1s4zt/comment/o... My read is that the admin is planning forceful strikes on the cartels within Mexico and is worried about their ability to retaliate by taking down US aircraft across…

Even Cartels know that shooting down civilian aircraft in US airspace would be an escalation that would lead to heavy retaliation. Doesn't seem likely to me.

If that aircraft held a person they wanted dead, I would not put it past them.

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Post by spaceywilly »

input_sh wrote: post #278
spaceywilly wrote: post #271

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Hanlon’s Razor "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." Someone probably just screwed up

You don't screw up something this major, it doesn't happen by accident nor by incompetence. They had plans to bomb something south of that airport, they had to postpone those plans now that the info is public enough that whatever their target was is definitely aware of those plans.

They have confirmed it was for testing a counter-drone weapon. They did not say why they set it to expire in 10 days, that part seems like it was probably a mistake.

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Post by boringg »

sva_ wrote: post #200

> Airline sources told Reuters the grounding of flights was believed to be tied to the Pentagon's use of counterdrone technology to address Mexican drug cartels' use of drones of the U.S.-Mexico border. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-halts-all-flights-texass...

>. "The FAA and DOW acted swiftly to address a cartel drone incursion.

The threat has been neutralized, and there is no danger to commercial travel in the region.

The restrictions have been lifted and normal flights are resuming."

https://x.com/SecDuffy

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