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Officials Claim Drone Incursion Led to Shutdown of El Paso Airport

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Post by guerrilla »

alex43578 wrote: post #202
guerrilla wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They would want to avoid escalation. Escalation with cartels historically does not go well for anyone involved.

Escalation by attacking US civilians or the homeland has also gone poorly. It’s been the casus belli many times, notably ending in two Japanese cities getting nuked…

Dropping nuclear bombs on Japan was in an entirely different context which has no relevance here. We're not in the middle of a global war (nor is anyone even at war with Mexico), nor in a nuclear arms race asserting nuclear capabilities for the first time in history.

You're forgetting all the times the US failed too, and those cases weren't even on its own border. Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam... the list is very long. Creating an existential threat on your own border is a bad move for anyone. Remember how bad Columbia got? I guess not. The current situation has the potential to be much more dangerous.

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Post by bluGill »

openair18 wrote: post #152
bluGill wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People drive too much. Cut off ais travel and only a few care - who drive to Los Cruzes NM to fly. cut off roads and they will in mass break the barricades.

I’m sorry I have to say I have never seen Las Cruces spelled like that.

Disgraphia - the inability to spell (and otherwise write well). Sorry about it.

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Post by huevosabio »

wocka wrote: post #249

The Federal Aviation Administration said it had lifted the temporary closure of airspace over El Paso that it had imposed last night. “All flights will resume as normal,” the F.A.A. said on social media.

What a bizarre move.

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Post by bluGill »

Johnny555 wrote: post #126
bluGill wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People drive too much. Cut off ais travel and only a few care - who drive to Los Cruzes NM to fly. cut off roads and they will in mass break the barricades.

>People drive too much That doesn't seem like a good argument for instituting a quarantine by blocking air travel but not ground travel. And why block everything including police, cargo and medivac flights for a quarantine?

It is why they won't block ground travel even though they might want to.

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Post by jjk166 »

kijin wrote: post #125
bdbdbdb wrote: post #97

To me the trapezoid suggests something traveling south fell in the area. Narrow at the top, wide at the bottom. Maybe they dropped a nuke by accident (again)

That looks like a rather flat trapezoid for something that fell from high above. With a fast-moving object, we can usually tell its trajectory across the map much more accurately than we can tell where along that trajectory it impacted the ground. See: MH370.

The area they would expect to find it would be much narrower than the area they would expect a plane overhead to be able to observe it.

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Post by jghn »

reactordev wrote: post #228
infecto wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The distinction is those are cases where they are murdering Mexican citizens. If a cartel murdered a bus of people in America I suspect most any administration would retaliate in some form.

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> Dude, Americans are getting kidnapped and murdered in Mexico all the time

Dude, can you put some numbers with a citation behind that? Then we can extrapolate a risk ratio and see if it really merits the "all the time" claim.

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Post by infecto »

reactordev wrote: post #243
_heimdall wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the GP was referring to buses on US soil rather than Americans on buses in Mexico.

Cartels only strike their own on US soil…

You’re missing the point. Absolutely cartel violence impacts all types of people in the US and Mexico but large scale brutal violence that is usually saved for Mexico since unfortunately the Mexican federal government does not have control in most of the regions.

There is a huge difference between a one off gang killing in the US and someone taking a whole grey hound bus and burying the bodies in the desert.

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Post by dylan604 »

mothballed wrote: post #145
ramesh31 wrote: post #142

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>Sure, but people will just drive to the next closest airport and fly Tell me you've never been to west Texas.

The next closest airport is Juarez, it's like 6 miles away, full fledged international airport. It's a few hours walk at worst.

They really prefer you have a passport now, and the vast majority of people do not. Also, I doubt this admin would mind if there was suddenly an uptick in one way travel into Mexico

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Post by chasd00 »

philipwhiuk wrote: post #213

> BREAKING: A source briefed by FAA tells me the El Paso flight ban was driven by military operations from Biggs Army Air Field at Fort Bliss https://x.com/petemuntean/status/2021573468341383284

Probably an attempt to embarrass the admin. Now watch for the orangemanbad articles about a reckless military operation personally planned by the president in the middle of the night on X.

Hah im trying to be tongue-in-cheek but I have to admit that doesn’t seem out of the realm of possibility actually lol

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