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Ex-GitHub CEO launches a new developer platform for AI agents

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Re: Ex-GitHub CEO launches a new developer platform for AI agents

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Post by dang »

rgxsh wrote: post #51

The founder has only forked repositories on GitHub that are sort of light web development related. His use of bombastic language in this announcement suggests that he has never personally worked on serious software. The deterioration of GitHub under his tenure is not confidence inspiring either, but that of course may have been dictated by Nadella. If you are very generous, this is just another GitHub competitor dres…

Personal attacks aren't allowed here, so I've banned the account. If you want to use HN as intended, you'd be welcome to review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and then email hn@ycombinator.com with a reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.

Re: Ex-GitHub CEO launches a new developer platform for AI agents

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Post by dang »

ashtom wrote: post #56
rgxsh wrote: post #51

The founder has only forked repositories on GitHub that are sort of light web development related. His use of bombastic language in this announcement suggests that he has never personally worked on serious software. The deterioration of GitHub under his tenure is not confidence inspiring either, but that of course may have been dictated by Nadella. If you are very generous, this is just another GitHub competitor dres…

Founder here. I built commercial insurance software for Windows 95 in the 1990s, driver assistant systems at Mercedes and at Bosch in the early 2000s, dozens of iPhone apps as contractor, a startup called HockeyApp (acquired by Microsoft), and various smaller projects, mostly in Ruby on Rails. And of course, when I left Microsoft & GitHub, 10 years of green boxes were removed from my GitHub profile.

Glad to see you commenting here despite the, er, unsubstantive disposition of some of the commenters! (I'm a mod here btw.) We really don't like it when the audience responds to new things with snark and dismissiveness, and there are rules in https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html to make that clear.

In this case I think the root problem is that the OP (https://entire.io/blog/hello-entire-world/) is the wrong genre for HN. It's a fine fundraising announcement, but that sort of enthusiastic general announcement rubs the HN audience the wrong way because what they really want is technical details. Spectacular non technical details like high valuations, etc., tend to accentuate this gap.

I mention this because if you or someone on your team wants to write a technical post about what you're building, with satisfying details and all that, then we could do a take 2 (whenever would be a good time for this).

Re: Ex-GitHub CEO launches a new developer platform for AI agents

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Post by stitched2gethr »

ljm wrote: post #229
XorNot wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most interesting thing about everyone trying to position themselves as AI experts is the futility of it: the technology explicitly promises tomorrows models will be better then todays, which means the skill investment is deflationary: the best time to learn anything is tomorrow when a better model will be better at doing the same work - because you don't need to be (conversely if you're not good at debugging and…

I'm pretty much just rawdogging Claude Code and opencode and I haven't bothered setting up skills or MCPs except for one that talks to Jira and Confluence. I just don't see the point when I'm perfectly capable of writing a detailed prompt with all my expectations. The problem is that so many of these things are AI instructing AI and my trust rating for vibe coded tools is zero. It's become a point of pride for the hu…

I think the rationale is that with the right tools you can move much faster, and not burn everything to the ground, than just rawdogging Claude. If you haven't bothered setting up extra tools you may still be faster / better than old you, but not better than the you that could be. I'm not preaching, that's just the idea.

> That is not software engineering or development, it's brogrammer trash.

Yes, but it's working. I'm still reading the code and calling out specific issues to Claude, but it's less and less.

Re: Ex-GitHub CEO launches a new developer platform for AI agents

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Post by toraway »

straydusk wrote: post #239

> Checkpoints are a new primitive that automatically captures agent context as first-class, versioned data in Git. When you commit code generated by an agent, Checkpoints capture the full session alongside the commit: the transcript, prompts, files touched, token usage, tool calls and more. This thread is extremely negative - if you can't see the value in this, I don't know what to tell you.

What kind of barrier/moat/network effects/etc would prevent someone with a Claude Code subscription from replicating whatever "innovation" is so uniquely valuable here?

It's somewhat strange to regularly read HN threads confidently asserting that the cost of software is trending towards zero and software engineering as a profession is dead, but also that an AI dev tool that basically hooks onto Git/Claude Code/terminal session history is worth multiples of $60+ million dollars.

Re: Ex-GitHub CEO launches a new developer platform for AI agents

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Post by zhyder »

Hmm the whole point of checkpoints seems to be to reduce token waste by saving repeat thinking work. But wouldn't trying to pull N checkpoints into context of the N+1 task be MUCH more expensive? It's at odds with the current practice of clearing context regularly to save on input tokens. Even subagents (which I think are the real superpower that Claude Code has over Gemini CLI for now) by their nature get spawned with fresh near-empty context.

Token costs aside, arguably fresh context is also better at problem solving. When it was just me coding by hand, I didn't save all my intermediate thinking work anywhere: instead thinking afresh when a similar problem came up later helped in coming up with better solutions. I did occasionally save my thinking in design docs, but the equivalent to that is CLAUDE.md and similar human-reviewed markdown saved at explicit -umm- checkpoints.

Re: Ex-GitHub CEO launches a new developer platform for AI agents

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Post by stitched2gethr »

redhale wrote: post #347
btucker wrote: post #342

I hacked together something similar to the concept they describe a few months ago ( https://github.com/btucker/agentgit ) and then ended up not actually finding it that useful and abandoning it.

I feel like the value would be in analyzing those rich traces with another agent to extract (failure) patterns and learnings, as part of a flywheel setup. As a human I would rarely if ever want to look at this -- I don't even have time to look at the final code itself!

Try running `/insights` with Claude Code.

Re: Ex-GitHub CEO launches a new developer platform for AI agents

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Post by shnock »

tbrownaw wrote: post #361
staticassertion wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not disagreeing, just soliciting. Does anyone have examples of products that failed in the early stages because their implementation was too trivial?

How exactly are we supposed to hear about something that failed in the early stages?

By listening to your friends and circle

Re: Ex-GitHub CEO launches a new developer platform for AI agents

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Post by weird-eye-issue »

vrosas wrote: post #339
straydusk wrote: post #239

> Checkpoints are a new primitive that automatically captures agent context as first-class, versioned data in Git. When you commit code generated by an agent, Checkpoints capture the full session alongside the commit: the transcript, prompts, files touched, token usage, tool calls and more. This thread is extremely negative - if you can't see the value in this, I don't know what to tell you.

ehhhh is it really that useful though? Sounds way more noisy than anything, and a great way to burn through tokens. It's like founding a startup to solve the problem of people squashing their commits. Also, it sounds like something Claude Code/Codex/etc could quickly add an extension for.

How would this use any extra tokens? Just seems like it's serializing the existing context

Re: Ex-GitHub CEO launches a new developer platform for AI agents

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Post by [deleted] »

beoberha wrote: post #232

Ignoring the VC economics and awful name, I won’t be as pessimistic as everyone. I see the vision. That said, nobody knows what the AI future looks like. Entire’s entire thesis is a solution for something we don’t even know we need. It’s a massive bet and uphill battle. Traditionally, dev tool success stories come from grassroots projects of developers solving their own problems and not massive VC funded efforts that…

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