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I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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> There is nothing intrinsic to computing nowadays that makes it less magic than fiddling around with config.sys There definitely is: the rent-seeking behavior is out of control. As a kid I could fiddle with config.sys (or rather autoexec.bat) while nowadays wrestling a file path out of my phone is a battle and the system files of my phone are kept from me.

Why do you allow a mobile handheld computing and communication device to define "computing" ? I understand that they are important devices and lots of people with a hacker mentality would like to be able to hack them the way old folks once hacked DOS. But the current computing environment is much, much wider than iOS/Android, and if you're going to complain about just one aspect of it, I think it would be better to a…

As others have said, it's not so much that tinkering opportunities don't exist. It's more there's a slump in the market of doing relatively easy jobs for money. You can hack on esp32 all day, but there aren't many ways to make money doing so. Making software for the iPhone was (and is still, at this point) a pretty good gig.

I figure auto mechanics contended with this 25 years ago. Now it's hard to find someone to replace your water pump, if your vehicle even has one. Like auto mechanics, though, these machines still exist and there's still a big market for those skills. It might just require more legwork to find that work.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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I'm 61 (retired when I was 57). I too began with BASIC (but closer to 1980). Although I wrote and published games for the Macintosh for a number of years as I finished up college, my professional career (in the traditional sense) began when I was hired by Apple in 1995 and relocated to the Bay Area. Yeah, what started out as a great just got worse and worse as time went on. I suspect though that to a large degree thi…

I'm a millennial, but I share some feelings. I also think modern programming careers often feel like factory jobs where most of the time you must be compliant with some BS. You often find the true joy only in personal projects.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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And it has been getting more true for years in a row.

Disagree entirely. If you state “in 6 months AI will not require that much knowledge to be effective” every year and it hasn’t happened yet then every time it has been stated has been false up to this point. In 6 months we can come back to this thread and determine the truth value for the premise. I would guess it will be false as it has been historically so far.

Six months ago, we _literally did not have Claude Code_. We had MCP, A2A and IDE integrations, but we didn't have an app where you could say "build me an ios app that does $thing" and have it build the damn thing start to finish.

Three months ago, we didn't have Opus 4.5, which almost everyone is saying is leaps and bounds better than previous models. MCP and A2A are mostly antiquated. We also didn't have Claude Desktop, which is trying to automate work in general.

Three _weeks_ ago, we didn't have Clawdbot/Openclaw, which people are using to try and automate as much of their lives as possible...and succeeding.

Things are changing outrageously fast in this space.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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I'm 54 and started programming when I was 7 also. While I've enjoyed coding throughout my career, I'm loving this new phase of software dev, a lot of the hassle has now been removed and now you can concentrate on ACTUALLY building things without so many side tracks and hiccups from technical details. I guess I'm not as attached to coding as I thought I was, I actually really enjoy building software and now that has b…

I'm a year old than you. Recently, my father-in-law (an engineer in the '50s) was telling me about the transition from analog to digital electronics and how it changed his entire world.

I feel very fortunate that I was able to start out writing machine code and can now watch a machine write code on its own. I'm not even remotely claiming SOTA models can do what we do, but they are closer than ever before.

It's time to accept that the world has changed again.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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> If you state “in 6 months AI will not require that much knowledge to be effective” every year and it hasn’t happened yet then every time it has been stated has been false up to this point I think that this has been true, though maybe not quiet a strongly as strongly worded as your quote says it. The original statement was "Maybe GP is right that at first only skilled developers can wield them to full effect, but it…

Using a LLM to program is simply another abstraction level. Just how C was to assembly.

I feel like the nondeterminism makes LLM-assisted programming a different sort of concept than using a compiler. Your prompt isn't your source code.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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Ironically this post comes across to me as written by an LLM. The em-dashes, the prepositions, the "not this, that" lines. As a college instructor, I can usually tell. I put it through GPTZero and it said it's 96% LLM written. GPTZero is not full-proof but I think it's likely right on this one and I find it very ironic.

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Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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Ironically this post comes across to me as written by an LLM. The em-dashes, the prepositions, the "not this, that" lines. As a college instructor, I can usually tell. I put it through GPTZero and it said it's 96% LLM written. GPTZero is not full-proof but I think it's likely right on this one and I find it very ironic.

Pangram says 87%, and they are the gold standard right now.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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To be honest I find myself in disagreement with this attitude despite being a semi old-school programmer myself (I cut my teeth on C/C++/assembly in the early 00s). I think the author is caught up in the artist's dilemma - that being, they want to take part in the craft for the joy of it rather than for the results it produces.

Harsh take: nobody's stopping you from doing that. You can dust off an old computer right now and write software for it. All of that joy still exists. It's just that nobody's going to pay you for it and it's no longer mainstream relevant - the world's moved on from those times, in many cases for good reasons.

So I think what the person really wants is to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be mainstream relevant and employable... whilst having fun.

That's a luxury. More specifically it's a first world luxury. Most people don't get to have that. True, many programmers did get to have it for a time - but that doesn't mean we're entitled to it forever - not unless it's somehow directly tied to producing valuable results.

But you know it's strange to me that programmers lose sight of this. I became a programmer because I saw Wolfenstein 3D on a 386, and was inspired by there being a "world in the box". I wanted to make worlds too. That's an important distinction: I didn't become a programmer because I wanted to write code, I became a programmer because I wanted to create worlds. The programming is a means to an end, it's not the end unto itself - at least I never looked at it that way. And that's in spite of the fact that I genuinely enjoy programming in and of itself. But I still value the outcome more.

And in fact I actually went through a related transition some years ago on a personal level, when I shifted from always trying to write game engines from the ground up to being willing to use engines like Unity or Unreal. It felt like a betrayal - I no longer had a deep understanding of every layer, I could no longer bespoke craft everything to my personal whims. But you know what? It was absolutely the right choice because it put me on track to actually finishing the games I was working on, which was the entire point of the exercise in the first place.

So I don't bemoan or regret it for a second.

Anyway hope that didn't sound too blunt - it's just my way of speaking - I can sympathize with the author but I just think it's on the self-indulgent side.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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I'm 60, started with a Tandy Model I in junior high, learned 6809 assembly for my Color Computer, loved the fact we could put certain values in particular memory positions and change the video mode and put pixels to the screen. It's been decades of losing that level of control, but for me coding is the fun part. I've never lost that spark of enjoyment and really obsession I felt early on. I enjoy the supposedly borin…

TRS-80 CoCo! First computer I owned (started with a borrowed Commodore Pet). I appreciate the simplicity of flicking the switch and writing code in basic. One of my favorite gaming memories is this beauty: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQKQHKdWTRs
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