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I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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I'm 61 (retired when I was 57). I too began with BASIC (but closer to 1980). Although I wrote and published games for the Macintosh for a number of years as I finished up college, my professional career (in the traditional sense) began when I was hired by Apple in 1995 and relocated to the Bay Area. Yeah, what started out as a great just got worse and worse as time went on. I suspect though that to a large degree thi…

I don’t have anything to add other than to say this was beautifully written.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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Thank you for writing this. My feelings are very similar to the ones described by the author and the timeline almost matches. The thrill of tecnology for me started to fast decay since the early 2010s and now I see it as a no-return stage. I still have fun with my retro hardware & software but I am no longer an active practitioner and I have pivoted my attention and my efforts somewhere else. Unfortunately, I no long…

What do you do for living now (if anything)?

I stopped working as a programmer and I'm teaching CS+math and homeschooling my kid.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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Thank you for writing this. My feelings are very similar to the ones described by the author and the timeline almost matches. The thrill of tecnology for me started to fast decay since the early 2010s and now I see it as a no-return stage. I still have fun with my retro hardware & software but I am no longer an active practitioner and I have pivoted my attention and my efforts somewhere else. Unfortunately, I no long…

I think this is something else, though. Even before AI really hit sweng, there were early signs of a collective tech depression a la "The best idea we can come up with is strapping screens to people's heads?", the "Are we the bad guys?" convo around social media, the crypto brain drain, etc. The queue of Next Big Things has increasingly felt more forced and controversial to many, and being in tech last lost much of i…

If I look back, it was not even AI, since I don't use any AI model (almost at all). So, I don't think AI was really the main divisor for me. I have a feeling it was the "you don't own anything and everything is now a cloud/subscription" that was the main disappointment, which happened years before LLMs or AI-assisted programming.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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That remains to be seen. As long as the work gets done... Don't ask, don't tell.

It does NOT remain to be seen. https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/26/accenture-plans-on-exiting-s... Big players are already moving in the direction of "join us or leave us". So if you can't keep up and you aren't developing or "reinventing" something faster with the help of AI, it was nice knowing you.

I didn't say don't use AI at all, I said give it the boilerplate, rote work. Developers can still work on more interesting things. Maybe not all the interesting things.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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If not the technical person, then who? It’s a lot easier for a technical person to learn how to talk the language of the business than a business person to have a deep understanding of technology. On the enterprise dev side of the industry where most developers work, I saw a decade ago that if I were just a ticket taker who turned well defined requirements into for loop and if statements, that was an undifferentiated…

> Also if you look at the leveling guidelines of any major tech company, their leveling guidelines above mid level are based on scope, impact and dealing with ambiguity - not “I codez real gud” Your entire comment is this specific strawman - no one, and I mean no one , is making this claim! You are the only one who is (ironically, considering the job you do) too tone-deaf and too self-unaware to avoid making this arg…

> The argument is not

Then what is it.

be blunt and obvious in your reply or go home.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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I’m 5 years older than James and had a similar discovery and enthusiasm path which got lost in the era commercial big modern systems. The soul of the machine has long since disappeared.

There was a brief period when I discovered BeOS 4.5 which brought the wonder back in September 1999. That was short lived. I occassionally get the bug with Haiku but sadly dont have the spare time during this last decade.

Enthusiast on small platforms still chase the bug, in these smaller communities you can actually make a difference, and there is still passion to be found there. There is also some innovation since experimental concepts can be tried out.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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It does NOT remain to be seen. https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/26/accenture-plans-on-exiting-s... Big players are already moving in the direction of "join us or leave us". So if you can't keep up and you aren't developing or "reinventing" something faster with the help of AI, it was nice knowing you.

I didn't say don't use AI at all, I said give it the boilerplate, rote work. Developers can still work on more interesting things. Maybe not all the interesting things.

That may be fine ... if it remains your choice. I'm saying companies are outmoding people (programmers, designers, managers, et al) who don't leverage AI to do their job the fastest. If one programmer uses AI to do boilerplate and then codes the interesting bits personally and it takes a week and another does it all with AI (orchestrating agents, etc) and it takes 2 hours and produces the same output (not code but business value), the AI orchestrator/manager will be valued above the former.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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This is a part of it, but I also feel like a Luddite (the historical meaning, not the derogatory slang). I do use these tools, clearly see their potential, and know full well where this is going: capital is devaluing labor. My skills will become worthless. Maybe GP is right that at first only skilled developers can wield them to full effect, but it's obviously not going to stop there. If I could destroy these things…

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> The historical luddites are literally the human death drive externalized. Reject them and all of their garbage ideas with extreme prejudice.

Yes, because fighting for the rights of laborers is obviously what most people hate.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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> For me coding has always been about the nitty-gritty quirkiness of computers, languages, solving issues and writing new cool things for the sake of it. Same. It scratches my riddle-solving itch in a way that the process of "prompt-honing" has yet to do.

for me, and i bet many people, the only riddles being solved (at least at work) for the last few years amount to "what is eslint complaining about now?". It's nice not to have to eff with things like that and other aggravations anymore by offloading it to an agent.

if it gets it right; I'd like someone to show me with a brand new install their AI coding flow and see it get it right. I must be broken because when I use claude code it can't get a gradle build file right.
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